Date: Tue, 27 Oct 92 16:25 BST

Date: Tue, 27 Oct 92 16:25 BST
From: Raza Rizvi x320 <[email protected]>
Subject: (Summary) Smalltalk on MAC

This is a summary of the *excellent* response I received about Smalltalk on
Macintosh which I thought I should post back to INFO-MAC. I have also
individually posted the people who actually sent the replies.

All replies have been edited by me for clarity, so I take responsibility
for errors etc. Opinions expressed belong to the original author.

Between posting and getting the replies back, I contacted Xerox EuroParc and
Xerox Parc to find out whether the 'inventor' of Smalltalk (Adele Goldberg)
still worked for them. They pointed me to her new company, ParcPlace Systems.

Below are some comments about ParcPlace Systems version of smalltalk, including
a reply direct from a ParcPlace Systems employee (good to know they are on the
net!)

Raza Rizvi
Cranfield IT Institute, Milton Keynes, England
[email protected]

End of note: Long attachment follows...

From: [email protected]
I saw your query about smalltalk on the mac.
I presume you are looking for freeware, as otherwise there is
Digitalk ST/V at (I think) about 80 pounds, and ParcPlace ST80
at very much more.

From: [email protected]
Charles C. Allen
UTexas-Austin Physics
{One of two choices is } Objectworks\Smalltalk (ParcPlace). The
ParcPlace product lists for US$3500, but any faculty or staff can
get it for 10% of that price as long as its for educational use.
Contact: [email protected].

From: [email protected]
Dan Walkowski
Univ. of Illinois
And there is ParcPlace ObjectWorks for Mac, which is excellent (it
is the _original_ Smalltalk, by the people who used to be at Xerox)
but it is expensive. But they have an educational price of about
$300 or so.

From: [email protected]
Michael Khaw
ParcPlace Systems, Sunnyvale, CA
There are 2 commercial implementations of Smalltalk for the Mac:
{for the other one, see Digitalk section)

ParcPlace Systems, Inc. develops and sells Objectworks\Smalltalk and
VisualWorks. VisualWorks is a new product based on
Objectworks\Smalltalk that includes interactive user-interface
construction tools and connection capabilities to relational
database systems. ParcPlace was founded by the team that developed
Smalltalk at Xerox PARC. ParcPlace bought the rights to the Smalltalk
language from Xerox. There is no ownership relationship between Xerox
and ParcPlace.
PRODUCT INFO: [email protected]

In the UK, Artificial Intelligence International, Ltd., is
ParcPlace's distributor:

Raymond Lee
AIIL
1 Park View Road
Berkhamstead
Herts HP4 3EY
voice: 44 442 87 6722
fax: 44 442 87 7997
email: [email protected]

From: [email protected]
Brian Bechtel
Note: "My opinion, not Apple's"

Parc Place Systems sells standard Smalltalk-80. Digitalk sells
Smalltalk/V.

From: [email protected]
There are two implementations, both commercial. One is from
the decendant of the Xerox PARC lab:

ParcPlace Systems
999 E Arques Ave
Sunnyvale California 94086-4593
Tel. +1 (408) 481-9090
[email protected]

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Information on an implementation from Digitalk came from the following:
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From: [email protected]
I presume you are looking for freeware, as otherwise there is
Digitalk ST/V at (I think) about 80 pounds.

From: [email protected]
Ron Burns,Dept of Computing & Cognition
Bournemouth University, POOLE,BH12 5BB,UK
Tel:+(44) 202 524111;(Fax) 513293

SmallTalk V Mac is a Macintosh version of Digitalk SmallTalk/V
available from APDA (or at least it used to be...) for $199.95
(that's dollars). Catalogue number was T0179LL/A

From: [email protected]
Rob Griffith
The Open University, Milton Keynes, England
Telephone: +44 (0)908 652350

Try Smalltalk/V by Digitalk for a "small" Smalltalk
Impressions: Smalltalk/V is really simple to use.

From: [email protected]
Charles C. Allen
UTexas-Austin Physics
{One of two choices is } Smalltalk/V Mac (Digitalk)
St/V costs about US$130 mail order in the US. It's OK, but
definitely due for an upgrade to bring it in line with their
Windows & OS/2 versions.
Contact: [email protected]

From: [email protected]
Dan Walkowski
Univ. of Illinois
There's DigiTalk Smalltalk/Mac, which is cheap, but not very good.

From: [email protected]
Michael Khaw
ParcPlace Systems, Sunnyvale, CA
Digitalk, Inc. develops and sells Smalltalk/V on the Mac. I'm not
familiar with Digitalk's products, but there has been some discussion
in Usenet's comp.lang.smalltalk regarding the Mac version being
neglected in favor of Digitalk's MS-Windows and OS/2 versions.
Digitalk holds a license from ParcPlace Systems for the Smalltalk
system.

From: [email protected]
Graeme Forbes
You want Smalltalk/V Mac from Digitalk. You can get it quite
inexpensively (about $150, I think) from the usual mail order places.
Or call 310-645-1082 (fax 1306) and ask them about academic discounts
(I think that's how I got it but forget the price. Maybe it was $99?)

From: [email protected]
There are two implementations, both commercial. One is from
the decendant of the Xerox PARC lab:
{see ParcPlace systems section}

There is another from a company called Digitech (I think)...
I don't have the info handy. I'll see if I can dig it up.

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Information on Freeware implementations of Smalltalk came from the following:
***********

From: [email protected]
There is also Tim Budds 'little smalltalk' which does run on a mac
apparently. This is certainly free, but (at least in the PC version
I have) very non-standard in the way instances are created, and the
library structure.
I think there is also a free GNU smalltalk, but this would presumably
be only for Unix machines.

From: [email protected]
Brian Bechtel
Note: "My opinion, not Apple's"
Tim Budd at University of Oregon has a minimal
smalltalk without graphics available for anonymous ftp somewhere.
A message on comp.lang.smalltalk would probably yield results.