Subj : Re: Angels and demons
To   : Arelor
From : Boraxman
Date : Wed May 28 2025 08:43 am

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Ar>   Re: Re: Angels and demons
Ar>   By: Boraxman to Jcurtis on
Ar> Sat May 24 2025 01:03 pm

> If God KNEW that Adam and Eve would disobey, and it could not have been
> otherwise, I find it immoral to still place blame on us and our evil.
> Especially since God made us and the universe, and is omnipotent.  This
> circle doesn't square.
>

Ar> I think the way they come to grips with it can be illustrated as
Ar> follows:

Ar> Imagine you know Jack hates John. Imagine you know Jack has a date in
Ar> the same coffee pub John is gonna be at the same time. Imagine you
Ar> could prevent Jack easily from going to the pub.

Ar> You don't. Jack shows up, finds John there, and bashes him all over his
Ar> head with a chair.

Ar> Now, who is responsible? You, because you could have prevented it and
Ar> you didn't? Or Jack, who did the deed?

I don't think this addresses the issue.  In this example, I'm *guessing* there
will be trouble.  I don't know what Jack will do, and he could very well have
free will.  I'm acting on a guess, without *knowing*.

But if I know *exactly* what will happen, and my foreknoweldge is perfect,
unchangeable, then that can only be the case if Jack could not possibly have
acted any other way.  However, if that is the case, and I am a mere mortal,
then
I cannot act in any other way either, in a world where foreknoweldge is
possible.  So whether I would have stopped Jack or not, is already set.  The
question of whether I am responsible or not is moot, as that question is
already
determined too.

I think it is simply that there is a logical paradox in foreknowledge, similar
to the Grandfather Paradox.  We can only be certain of a future we cannot
change.  If we could know the future, we could change it, but then the future
would be different and we didn't end up knowing it.



... BoraxMan
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