Subj : Re: New purchase
To : Weatherman
From : Moondog
Date : Sun Jul 02 2023 02:33 pm
Re: Re: New purchase
By: Weatherman to Moondog on Sun Jul 02 2023 01:31 am
> -=> Moondog wrote to Weatherman <=-
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> Mo> Re: Re: New purchase
> Mo> By: Weatherman to Moondog on Sat Jul 01 2023 01:42 am
>
> > -=> Moondog wrote to Tracker1 <=-
> >
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> Mo> The FFL holder is required by the ATF to inform them if a buy
> Mo> er purchases multiple firearms within a week or two . The ATF will
> Mo> take the address infromation then investigate whether the buyer is
> Mo> performing straw purchase.
>
> I repeat. I have never... EVER been contacted by BATF for any reason
> whatsoever, and I have purchased in excess of two fireams within a week (hel
> on the same DAY - and yes, from the same FFL) on multiple occassions.
>
> Mo> The agents will come to the buyer's house and want to see that they
> Mo> have the firearms in their possession (haven't sold or given them to
> Mo> anybody.) I have spoken to people that have been contacted by the ATF
> Mo> (by mail) to inform them the FFL sent them the purchase information,
> Mo> but haven't met anyone who has been visited by them.
>
> Any BATF agent that shows up unannounced on my doorstep had better have a
> warrant. No warrant, no entry, it's as simple as that. It's called the Fou
> Amendment to the US Constitution.
>
> Mo> Not sure if luck plays into it. It may be more dependent on how busy
> Mo> the loca l ATF agent is, or the firearms in question whether they fit a
> Mo> profile.
>
> Doubt if luck has anything to do with it. Multiple purchases in a specified
> period of time does NOT constitute reasonable cause to assume straw purchase
> Without reasonable cause, the BATF will be unable to obtain a search warrant
> Without a search warrant, the BATF has no enforceable right to search, seizu
> or interview.
>
>
> ... The best way to accelerate a Mac is at 9.8m/s^2
I have only heard of this a couple of months ago, when someone posted a
video on youtube showing two atf agents and a state trooper showing up at his
house. He didn't let them in and kept an eye on them (state trooper's behavio
r was sketchy.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFE9Yl2X57A&t=218s
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