Subj : Re: Most memorable modern
To   : Arelor
From : Boraxman
Date : Thu May 29 2025 08:19 am

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Ar>   Re: Re: Most memorable modern
Ar>   By: Boraxman to Arelor on
Ar> Wed May 28 2025 09:19 am

Ar> The fun part is I am an advocate of the stand-and-fight stance.
Ar> Refusing to work for open virtual signalers is a stand-and-fight
Ar> strategy. Trying to force your way into a company where nobody wants
Ar> you is just silly. I much prefer to find a non-nonsense workplace I
Ar> like to work in and make that company successful - which is actually
Ar> working well for me - while woke companies deprive themselves of good
Ar> employees.

Ar> Meanwhile woke companies might seem strong but they are running out of
Ar> steam faster than you'd expect. This is very patent in the videogame
Ar> industry because new generations of gamers are rejecting active
Ar> indoctrination whereas politized companies won't change gears. This is
Ar> leading to big budget projects worth hundreds of millions being
Ar> declared flopped less than a month after release. The end result is
Ar> that woke companies such as Ubisoft are getting quietly split into
Ar> packages and sold quietly so nobody notices because then everybody
Ar> would know they are official failures.

Ar> The only thing keeping half woke enterprises alive at this point is
Ar> funding from the administration. If that were cut the whole sillyness
Ar> would be over. Hell, one of the effects of the famous DODGE cuts was
Ar> the termination of some South American woke journalism "agencies"
Ar> because they could not pay employees without administrative funding. We
Ar> are talking about agencies getting bankrupt in 48h.

What happens when they take over the company you are working at?  Your
company was not realy woke, then becomes very woke?  That is then
infringing upon me.  In this case, I think its justified to stand your
ground.  Also, a lot of people don't go for this, so its not just me
alone.  You can be sure that many, many employees would side with you,
at least in private.  They are too worried about HR repurcussions to
speak up.

This is my experience.  The company does something from the woke/ESG
agenda, and only those of a particular narrow political niche are
enthused.  Heck, many of them are just following along but don't
understand.  The rest roll their eyes, keep their head down, maybe
make a private comment to me, but thats it.

With regards to "go woke, go broke".  MAybe, but they do a lot of
damage in the meantime.  All wars end too, but they're not fun
fighting, and people get hurt.  The fact that it will all end at some
point doesn't really give solace when you have to waste precious years
of your life under their misery.

I simply cannot let these cretins get away with this.


>  I think you have it backwards.  It is the employer in the wrong.  They are
>  suddenly terminating a contract for reasons that have *nothing* to do with
> the  contractual requirements.   The employee certaintly has grounds to
> argue that   the termination was unjust!  All the state is doing, is
> ensuring that the       termination of the contract is just, as would be the
> case in any other          contractual dispute.  To argue that the state
> shouldn'be be involved is absurd, as all contracts are valid because the
> state considers them valid.  Thats why   you can't be my slave, because such
> a contract is not valid.
>

Ar> Well, on principle, if one part of the contract has the right to
Ar> terminate it unilaterally then it makes sense the other part also can.
Ar> If I can quit the company with no need to justify myself then it makes
Ar> sense the company needs no t justify itself for contract termination.
Ar> The exception would be when - as happens with big business to business
Ar> contracts - one of the parts takes a big upfront expense in order to
Ar> initiate the contract, in which case the other part of the deal is
Ar> required to cover the loses of the first contractor if they decide to
Ar> back off.

Ar> And yeah there are lots of labor law but when I see the end results I
Ar> am not thrilled by it. For starters, when firing people is hard then
Ar> you don't hire people, specially if most candidates for job positions
Ar> are likely to flop on you. Again, welcome to Spain. No wonder half the
Ar> economy in Spain is estimated to be underground. --

What in the case of an employer who is harassed by activits to fire
someone?  I would wager most times this happens, the employer is
acting out of fear.  At will contracts exacerbate this, because the
activist scum know the employer can fire.  If the employer cannot
fire, then the activists are in the wrong, and the employer can, and
should, take the actvists to court, as the activists are harrasing the
employer to commit an illegal act.

Lastly, the employee is not a slave.  No human being should have to
work against their will, therefore an employment contract must not
require someone to provide labour against their will.  If the employee
decides not to work, they don't have to turn up, there is no mechanism
to force them to.  However, in Australia, that would mean forfeiting
your leave at an amount up to and including the notice period.  The
employer also has the right to withdraw their labour at any time too,
so I don't see the disconnect here.  if I employ you, I can stop
working tomorrow if I wish too.  No one is being forced to work here.

Termination because of speech outside of work is an infringement of
rights, and no contract which explicitely or implicitely says this is
valid.  No contract can infringe upon your rights.  It can be
terminated because of lack of fulfillment, redundancy, breaking
certain conditions and stipulations, or just because the work no
longer is required or desired.  But "I don't like you" has zero, zero
to do with the contract.

You are conflating this with other employment laws.  My criticism was
specifically of THIS issue, firing someone because you disagreed with
what they think in private.  Other employment protection laws, I
didn't comment on those.

To e honest, if I ran a company, and a manager did this, I would fire
the MANAGER.

... BoraxMan
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