Subj : Re: Most memorable modern
To   : phigan
From : Boraxman
Date : Thu May 22 2025 10:33 pm

-=> phigan wrote to Boraxman <=-

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ph>   Re: Re: Most memorable modern
ph>   By: Boraxman to MRO on Wed
ph> May 21 2025 10:55 pm

> The problem is that if private
> companies can 'punish' you, then you
> lose your freedom.  You do NOT have
> freedom of speech, if your employer
> take retribution and fire you for wh
> you say outside of work.  The KKK

ph> Freedom of speech is about someone
ph> being arrested or somehow legally
ph> impacted by their speech. Meaning, the
ph> government shouldn't be able to stop
ph> you from saying things.

ph> Now, it's your choice to say things
ph> that other people may not like. And
ph> it's your employer's choice to employ
ph> you. Your employer is other people and
ph> if they don't like what you say, they
ph> should also have the right to have
ph> nothing to do with you. Being employed
ph> is not a right. What if you were the
ph> employer? Do you want someone telling
ph> you who you can't fire? Seems silly.

Freedom of Speech is about dissemination of ideas.  The purpose of
Freedom of Speech is to have ideas challenged, critiqued.  Freedom of
Speech is not about you, its an attribute society needs to stay
functional and prosperous and not descend into tyranny.

Now, an employer DOES have the right to not listen to you.  They ARE
justified in firing you if you talk to them at work about your ideas,
and they don't want to hear it.  But if its something that you said
outside work?  No, they have no claim to being harmed, so the appeal
to a right rings weak.

The reason is that if they do this, then society becomes a victim.
Society is harmed if people are not able to disseminate ideas, because
of retributive actions.  Society is the victim, and in an ironic
sense, *so is the employer*!  Being employed is not a right, I agree,
but when it comes to weighing freedom to fire over freedom to speak,
the greater evil is clearly, preventing speech.  Neither society or
even the employer is harmed if employees are protected from being
fired for what they do *out of workplace*, but society IS harmed if
people are unable to hear challenging ideas, and have their bad ideas
challenged, and their good ideas confirmed.  This isn't just my
opinion, its observable fact.  The prevalence if crackpot conspiracy
theories and increasing belief in nutcase ideologies is precisely
because of a lack of challenge to ideas.


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