Subj : Re: Most memorable modern
To : Boraxman
From : Jimmy Anderson
Date : Sun May 11 2025 08:12 pm
-=> Boraxman wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-
Bo> Actully, this idea that we could unite, is a particularly Western
Bo> idea, probably British. See, *we* assume that. Because we are
Bo> projecting our values system onto the rest of the world. We believe
Bo> there can be universal values, that we can share, but really, this is
Bo> us projecting our own *parochial* values.
Yep - when we are the ones that are 'right,' it's easy to see that the
rest should follow along. :-)
Bo> See, this idea is us
Bo> pushing OUR values onto the rest of the world! So for the world to
Bo> "unite", it actually means they must accept and subscribe to OUR
Bo> values at the expense of theirs.
Or another set of values, that is not made known yet.
Bo> Western arrogance just assumes the
Bo> rest of the world will see the supremacy of *our* ideas and follow
Bo> *our* path. Universal ethics is a predominantly Western invention,
Bo> with some elements in Abrahamic religion. Islam does have something
Bo> like this (hence the clash, but much of the rest of the world doesn't.
Bo> Their values system doesn't work that way.
If enough countries give up their soverign nature, though, it could
still happen. If America stops being "America first," for example, we
could easily shift to a European set of ideals, or Germanic, etc.
Bo> Hence why it was alway a pipedream, and why this experiment will end
Bo> in tears. Its a vision that never really will exist outside of the
Bo> Anglosphere, because its a specifically Anglosphere idea, with some of
Bo> Europe kind of half heartedly following the lead.
Gonna disagree. :-) The Bible prophecies say it will happen, so I believe
it WILL happen. Exactly how is not stated, just that the Antichrist will
be the world leader. For him to be a one world leader there has to be
a one world joining.
Bo> In short, what Captain Kirk was saying, was essentially only going to
Bo> work, if we could be culturally imperialistic enough to force our
Bo> Western values on the rest of the world, which paradoxically, only
Bo> works if you are NOT tolerant of other beliefs! (which leads to
Bo> resentment and conflict).
Which means, as you say, ONE BELIEF system will have to trump the
others. Chritianity says Jesus is the ONLY way to God; Jews believe
He was a fake; Muslims have another way to God; people into spiritulism
believe something else; etc.
ALL religions can come under one umbrella ONLY if they give up their
own beliefs, which could very well be what eventually happens...
