Subj : Re: Most memorable modern
To   : Jimmy Anderson
From : Boraxman
Date : Tue May 06 2025 08:55 am

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Bo> I do think Democracy's days are up.  Not numbered, but finished.  Of
Bo> course we still have a democracy, but not one which can propel us in
Bo> the direction we need
Bo> to go.  Too much emphasis is placed on "rights", but rights are not
Bo> natural, they are granted, and they are granted for a purpose.  Is our
Bo> "right" to vote serving the purpose it was granted for?

JA> I'm late to the discussion I know, but wanted to chime in here...

JA> Are we talking America? Where we have a representative republic?

JA> I've heard it touted the last few years to 'support democracy'
JA> especially in the Tennessee state legislature. We didn't have one
JA> before - we have had a representative republic.

JA> As for the right not being natural, but granted. The US Constitution
JA> recognizes that they are 'granted' by our Creator. That implies the
JA> Most High God - the Creator God - and not the government. I would
JA> say that we are not granted in the sense that they are granted by
JA> the government, but are 'granted' by our Creator at birth, which
JA> makes them natural.

I'm speaking in general.  I would argue that the "End of Democracy" doesn't
mean
you don't get to vote, it just means the system is not functionally a
democracy.
We can see this in Germany, where the parties have ganged up to prvent a rising
party, the jailing of Le Pen, the overturning of the Romanian election and
Lawfare against Trump and the "fortifying" of the 2020 election.  Could it
outright disappear?  Maybe, in some nations it could lead to fascism, but not
right now.  I think we'll see "managed demoracy", where a ruling elite gatekeep
everything, effectively a one-party or one-ideology system in disguise.

Not sure exactly how this will play out, but this is the trend.


Bo> I would argue no.  As we only get to choose for a select few "approved"
Bo> candidates, it seems we have no more choice than a child who is given
Bo> the false dichotomy by their parents.  As we see in Europe, if anyone
Bo> does sneak in who falls outside the approved choices, they use
Bo> non-democratic means to remove them.

JA> This I agree with, but whose fault is that? I believe we as a society
JA> over the years have given up more and more control to 'the
JA> establishment' and not put forth our own candidates. We had this
JA> conversation early on in our men's study group at church. We all agreed
JA> that if we want Christian values and a Biblical worldview we should
JA> vote that way. This includes voting that way for county commisioner,
JA> school board, etc. and not just in the state or national elections. The
JA> comment was made that there are not always 'Christian candidates'
JA> running, so we decided maybe it was time for us to step up and fill
JA> those spots then.

JA> My personal decision, with prayer of course, was to look at county
JA> commision or school board. The former is pretty much locked up for
JA> my district, but the latter is currently held by my wife's cousin,
JA> who has thought about retiring from the position. I talked to him and
JA> he would be willing to endorse me and be more likely to step down
JA> knowing there is another Christian ready to step in.

My position is that the Post WWII Liberal order, in particular creating an
"open
society", made this a necessary evil.  The ruling establishment has no choice
but to further police peoples opinions and speech and curtail political
freedom,
to make sure this more fragile society doesn't fall apart. To use an analogy
that you might find apt, we have created the Tower of Babel and trying to keep
the people together.

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Bo> I don't see a solution, and I don't see Democracy, at least one reliant
Bo> on people voting, working.  This is an enlightenment idea, based on the
Bo> assumption that humans work to reason.  This is proven untrue, and is
Bo> more and more untrue by the day as we find more and more ways to
Bo> manipulate, brainwash, gaslight and mislead people.

JA> This. In a nutshell... ^^^^

I'm not religious, but I do believe that the Atheistic "Rationalist" worldview
has failed big.  I see the big Atheists scrambling now, and its pathetic.  They
just don't get it.

Bo> Polybius identified the cycles civlisation goes through, and he
Bo> observed that democracy degenerates and leads to strongman politics.
Bo> We should bite the bullet perhaps, and accept this change, rather than
Bo> carry on the farce for longer.

Bo> After all, I don't care about "choosing" who represents me.  I don't
Bo> have a choice as none of the two major parties represent anything CLOSE
Bo> to what I want.
Bo> Id rather a monarchy which delivered an actual future for me.  I want a
Bo> good future, not the illusion of control.

JA> With a Biblical worldview, I see the future EVENTUALLY being one world
JA> government, but I don't support that, nor do I push for it. I know it
JA> to be a 'future fact' is all. That being said, I beleive that the only
JA> true 'change' that will happen is one soul at a time.

I think people are pushing for this, but I see it as unworkable.  There are
people who believe that the world could unite, there is "one humanity".
They're
mistaken, and we will pay dearly for them continiuing with this delusion.


... BoraxMan
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