Subj : Re: Most memorable modern
To : Boraxman
From : Jimmy Anderson
Date : Mon May 05 2025 06:54 am
-=> Boraxman wrote to Snobsoft <=-
-=> Snobsoft wrote to Arelor <=-
Bo> I do think Democracy's days are up. Not numbered, but finished. Of
Bo> course we still have a democracy, but not one which can propel us in
Bo> the direction we need
Bo> to go. Too much emphasis is placed on "rights", but rights are not
Bo> natural, they are granted, and they are granted for a purpose. Is our
Bo> "right" to vote serving the purpose it was granted for?
I'm late to the discussion I know, but wanted to chime in here...
Are we talking America? Where we have a representative republic?
I've heard it touted the last few years to 'support democracy' especially
in the Tennessee state legislature. We didn't have one before - we have
had a representative republic.
As for the right not being natural, but granted. The US Constitution
recognizes that they are 'granted' by our Creator. That implies the
Most High God - the Creator God - and not the government. I would
say that we are not granted in the sense that they are granted by
the government, but are 'granted' by our Creator at birth, which
makes them natural.
Bo> I would argue no. As we only get to choose for a select few "approved"
Bo> candidates, it seems we have no more choice than a child who is given
Bo> the false dichotomy by their parents. As we see in Europe, if anyone
Bo> does sneak in who falls outside the approved choices, they use
Bo> non-democratic means to remove them.
This I agree with, but whose fault is that? I believe we as a society
over the years have given up more and more control to 'the establishment'
and not put forth our own candidates. We had this conversation early on
in our men's study group at church. We all agreed that if we want
Christian values and a Biblical worldview we should vote that way. This
includes voting that way for county commisioner, school board, etc. and
not just in the state or national elections. The comment was made that
there are not always 'Christian candidates' running, so we decided
maybe it was time for us to step up and fill those spots then.
My personal decision, with prayer of course, was to look at county
commision or school board. The former is pretty much locked up for
my district, but the latter is currently held by my wife's cousin,
who has thought about retiring from the position. I talked to him and
he would be willing to endorse me and be more likely to step down
knowing there is another Christian ready to step in.
> I am actually more impressed by the
> true original _organized_ democracy.
> It
> fell to the same essential defect,
> but
> it had the advantage of not being
> universal - you got to vote only if
> you
> met the minimum requisites. This
> basically meant the people who had
> to
> decide whether to go to war or not
> was
> the same people who would be funding
> the war effort from their pockets or
> who would be in the frontline.
Yep! This is an ongoing problem right now! Profiting instead of
representing. And of course profiting means having the money to
fund reelection, etc. And the fact that money can buy an election
means people aren't voting their conscious anyway. <sigh> It's a
vicious cycle.
Sn> Of course, one must also ignore the
Sn> fact that, since 2014, half of the Ukrainian army had already initiated
Sn> constant bombardment against Russian Donbas minorities (around 30,000
Sn> deaths), meaning that the conflict actually began much earlier.
Sn> Naturally, the German propaganda media completely omit this. Likewise,
Sn> the continuous NATO expansion, and the ignorance of Russian protests
Sn> against it - including NATO bases in Ukraine.
The NATO expansion, against previous promises, is probably the leading
cause of this. Don't come in my yard. Oh you did? And I defend myself?
And now I'm the bad guy? More to it than just the poor Ukraine people
that are stuck in the middle.
Bo> I don't see a solution, and I don't see Democracy, at least one reliant
Bo> on people voting, working. This is an enlightenment idea, based on the
Bo> assumption that humans work to reason. This is proven untrue, and is
Bo> more and more untrue by the day as we find more and more ways to
Bo> manipulate, brainwash, gaslight and mislead people.
This. In a nutshell... ^^^^
Bo> Polybius identified the cycles civlisation goes through, and he
Bo> observed that democracy degenerates and leads to strongman politics.
Bo> We should bite the bullet perhaps, and accept this change, rather than
Bo> carry on the farce for longer.
Bo> After all, I don't care about "choosing" who represents me. I don't
Bo> have a choice as none of the two major parties represent anything CLOSE
Bo> to what I want.
Bo> Id rather a monarchy which delivered an actual future for me. I want a
Bo> good future, not the illusion of control.
With a Biblical worldview, I see the future EVENTUALLY being one world
government, but I don't support that, nor do I push for it. I know it
to be a 'future fact' is all. That being said, I beleive that the only
true 'change' that will happen is one soul at a time.
... How does it change many dyslexics to take a bulb light?
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