Subj : Re: Most memorable modern
To   : Boraxman
From : Snobsoft
Date : Sun May 04 2025 07:26 am

 Re: Re: Most memorable modern
 By: Boraxman to Snobsoft on Sat May 03 2025 12:00 pm

>  Sn> Of course, people got annoyed
>  Sn> at
>  Sn> other BBS users back then too,
>  Sn> disagreed with their opinions.
>  Sn> But
>  Sn> afterward, they'd go have a
>  Sn> beer
>  Sn> together in real life. Today,
>  Sn> you're often instantly treated
>  Sn> as
>  Sn> an
>  Sn> enemy if you have the "wrong"
>  Sn> opinion. It's terrible.
>  Sn> Especially
>  Sn> when
>  Sn> it comes from the very people
>  Sn> claiming to be "saving
>  Sn> democracy."
>  Sn> In reality, their suppression
>  Sn> of
>  Sn> dissenting opinions is the real
>  Sn> threat to democracy.

>  Sn> They probably don't even
>  Sn> understand the essence of
>  Sn> democracy. Exactly ���� that
>  Sn> means
>  Sn> talking to one another,
>  Sn> listening
>  Sn> to different perspectives,
>  Sn> thinking them over ���� and not
>  Sn> canceling them. 

> Unfortuantely, if my theory is
> correct
> (and its holding up so far),
> this was going to happen, the
> government has little choice about
> it
> and no one can fix it.  It will get
> worse until there is a breaking
> point, at which things get UGLY.
That can happen. The problem is that the self-proclaimed elites here in Germany are profoundly anti-democratic if they refuse to engage in the competition of arguments and instead seriously want to ban Germany's largest opposition party. Of course, using the "argument" that they are Nazis. Although nowadays, the majority in Germany no longer takes the loony lefties seriously. Today you're already a Nazi if you turn right twice at a traffic light.

That has something to do with the likely pathological overcompensation happening here in Germany, which I already mentioned in this thread. There's even a joke about it - better not express your opinion too clearly unless you have a bathrobe ready. The background: A government-critical publication was supposed to be banned (something one would normally only expect in dictatorships), and the images of the house search immediately went viral - showing the publisher in a bathrobe after being pulled out of bed at dawn by the police storm troopers. Naturally, the mainstream media loyal to the system had already been informed in advance, so they could capture "the blow for democracy" (1984, anyone?).

BTW: I'm neither a fan of the aforementioned publication nor the party in question. But that's not the point. In a democracy, sharp and even polemical, unpopular criticism must be tolerated - if it cannot (see above), it risks no longer being a democracy. Once again - the JD Vance speech was on point.

BTW2: At least a court has ruled that the aforementioned scandalous ban on an opposition publication was unlawful (pending the main trial).

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