Subj : Re: US tariff retaliation
To : hollowone
From : paulie420
Date : Thu Mar 06 2025 05:12 pm
ho> Time will show, but it definitively look like gambling a lot.
ho> Gambling and abusing the world we all knew for decades sure.
Well, today the tariffs on Mexico and Canada were paused; my question to citizens of other countries are why is it OK for America to be taxed/tariffed/dutied and we shouldn't impose [generally] reciprocal tariffs? I agree - we should have free trade; but it isn't free trade if Americans [because thats who are paying AND suffering not being able to export] suffer because of tarrifs, VATs and other fees.
We can agree more than we don't; lets have proper free trade. I think thats why Trump feels like tariffs is the vehicle he can use. If nothing changes, I'm happy that he's using ANY vehicle. The American government should be American first. Just like your govt should be your people first.
ho> All you don't calculate in is that there are counter powers and as much
ho> as it is difficult to abandon many business and alliance relations with
ho> US in the shor term. In the long term you'll be internationally alone.
No we won't - thats kind of my point; we WON'T be alone; we're the biggest importer that it vital to the worlds exports. We just want a fair shake so that we can produce, export and trade like we did pre-WWII.
We won't GET to those long term issues, because countries ARE going to make changes. [Possibly China excluded - but America would be well served with less junk, and tech being produced HERE...] I hear you - but I don't think we'll GET there - I think Trump knows what needs to be done and is going to create change so that America/Americans aren't paying a vig to play in world trade while being the richest consumers in the world...
He's going to force change - that change doesn't have to hurt YOU, so long as 'your' governments agree to stop forcing Americans to pay to trade.
ho> Also all that investment most likely won't work if you don't import
ho> another army of Indian programmers and CEOs ;) kind of contrary to all
ho> the immigration politics stated today ;)
No, companies will simply stop exporting jobs and Americans will take up the ranks. The one fact that stands is that dozens of large investments are, and will, flood the United States - this is a great thing for Americans and it doesn't hurt other countries. [Most of] These are American companies, why MUST they benefit other countries? He's leveling the playing field and big business is responding BEFORE countries - thats how it always works...
And, I think Honda announced a new plant in Indiana.. and the Taiwan chip company coming here - these are big events. Just examples of how Trumps plan is already working for us.
ho> I'm far away, and your biggest "success" is that I stopped taking care or
ho> hoping America can be an international partner and I'm more about to
ho> support we all should eventually build counter-US alliance in the
ho> remaining part of the west.
China+Russia - this is the only thing that could come close to US as far as military; that is simply a fact.
ho> Happy to sell cheaper cars from Asia and EU to Canadians, by the way.
Sure, but you should allow American companies to sell their warez too - if the cost is too high you just won't buy... but to tax over 100% [Australia] and make it so Ford, GM, etc CAN'T sell - thats BS. BS thats been going on for decades.
ho> I like you Paulie, but when one rereads what you say, all is seen is
ho> general accusations without details, proof points, and data.
I like you too. And I understand we disagree - but we offer plenty of facts; you don't believe them so its more a disagreement IMO. As mentioned before, time will tell - America deserves to level the playing field. [OR, stop sending our tax $$ across the damned WORLD - its our $$!]
