Subj : Re: Russia's Defeat
To   : Arelor
From : hollowone
Date : Tue Aug 01 2023 11:22 am

Ar> By the way, I dare say that the existence of the European Union has
Ar> pacified the Eurozone more than, say, the existence of NATO, by virtuoe

Define pacify? No more "Hitler alike" ignited war flaming the continent?
I think Cold War with a continual threat that whole Europe may be Bolshevik and NATO/American presence on the continent pacified Europe.

When both of these weakened EU tried to grow and struggle to maintain current growth level that keeps the traditional continental powers in charge.

It is dragged into internal conflicts and most likely will miss the opportunity to become what ideally it could have.

And the current conflict in Ukraine also shows that countries that were neutral rather believe in NATO than EU to keep the borders safe.

I think that was surprising to Putin, to see Sweden and Finland joining the Alliance and Switzerland offering ammunition at the early stage of the conflict before anybody spotted that it's a move... when it was spotted the latter withdrew itself from the horizon, but Scandinavia is all about NATO for sure.

-h1

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