Subj : Russia's Defeat
To   : Kaelon
From : Arelor
Date : Sun Jul 30 2023 03:26 pm

 Re: Russia's Defeat
 By: Kaelon to Arelor on Sun Jul 30 2023 10:09 am

> I definitely agree that this has been a war sparked in part by Russia's demo > bly, you are correct, that the party who runs out of people or weapons faste > defections) have led to a neutering of the Russian population advantage.

Europe has a bad track record when it comes to supporting members of the Union.Everything is songs and parties and praises to the big European family until
something like the 2008 crisis hits and then it is everybody on his own. Greezeis an example people likes to bring to the table.

There is not such a thing as an ally for the likes of us. There are people withshared interests at best. You can bet European countries will stop supporting
somebody as soon as it is no longer profitable or no external stimmulus (such
as the USA forcing their hand) to do so exists.

When you combine the fact that we are self-interested suckers with the fact a
whole lot of European countries have been disarming themselves - ie. we
Spaniards spent our years since Zapatero closing weapon factories and switchingmany of the remaining ones to supply developping countries - it is easy to
imagine once we run out of essential weapon reserves we will switch to eating
popcorn watching the fireworks from afar.

Minister Borrell already warned there isn't much more gear to spare left.

It is therefore plausible that when the conflict ends, leaving Ukraine at
whichever state, the West will declare the result a victory and send some tokenresources for helping rebuilding Ukraine that look good in the photo-ops but
don't fix a thing. The reason is nobody really cares for Ukraine more than theycare for their doormat.

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