Subj : Re: Russia's Endgame
To   : Andeddu
From : Moondog
Date : Mon Oct 10 2022 11:54 am

 Re: Re: Russia's Endgame
 By: Andeddu to Moondog on Sun Oct 09 2022 07:46 pm

>   Re: Re: Russia's Endgame
>   By: Moondog to Andeddu on Sat Oct 08 2022 11:21 pm
>
>  > There is an old adage, "an army travels on it's stomach, " and the troops
>  > the logistics end have stratgeies regarding transporting vital equipment
>  > well as keep the supply chain moving reagarding the sourcing and purchase
>  > new ammo and repair parts.  This is where the Russians screwed up. Assumi
>  > their logistics were on par with what is supposedly being the one of the
>  > largest top fighting forces, even old equipment sitting on shelvess  must
>  > accounted for, then replaced or upgraded as needed.  If you have a pntry
>  > perishable foods, you have to rotate your canned goods so that long term
>  > storage items are in safe, edible condition and consumed before they expi
>  > otherwise you're eating items with 3+ years shelf life and the back of th
>  > pantry is loaded with cans 10 years past the "eat before" date.
>
> <SNIP>
>
> I agree with everything you've said. The problem is that you are assuming th
> Russians, as a whole, are incompetent. This is simply propoganda as this
> information is coming to you from the MSM and other controlled biased outlet
>
> I reckon if you watch Russia Today, you will find similar stories of how
> woefully unprepared the Ukranains are along with stories on how hollowed out
> NATO armies are.
>
> The Russians are not incompetent, they've never historically been incompeten
> and I doubt things have changed. I know that this is going to blow up and it
> will involve NATO forces, and no, we won't just roll in there with our super
> soldiers and more advanced weaponary and wipe them out. That will simply not
> happen and I have no idea where Westerners get their confidence from (other
> than from the MSM).
>
> I hope you are right, but I would put my life savings on you being wrong abo
> there being to worry about. I know as well as you do that Ukraine's days are
> numbered and there is so much animosity between the East, China included, an
> the West that this little war is going to have dire consequenses for all the
> rest of us.
>

When the Russians first rolled into Kiev earlier this year, their convoy had
several vehicles showing dry rotted tires.  The side walls were separating
between the rim and tread.  If there werer regular inspections, those tires
were unsafe for driving around a test track let alone atke a road trip to
invade another nation.  A specially trained armored crew becomes infantryment
when their radiators are full of corroded scale and their water pumps sieze
up.  There is a saying, "for the want of a nail, a horse shoe is lost."  To
make it short, this loss of a shoe takes a rider from the fight.  That rider
was essential to winning the battle, and eventually a war.  One missing nail
seems isignificant, but what does that say about several horse improperly
shoed?

Incompetent might be the wrong word to use.  Due to their mandatory service
of 2(?) years, most troops do not become career troops.  Troops spend their
summers putting out forest fires, otherwise they beg for money during their
break time.  In the Western Services, the logistics guys and administrative
people are non-commissioned officers.  Specialists, corporals, and sergeants.
The Russian army leads from the top and has colonels managing things we can do e
easily with lower ranked troops.  That is why there were so many confirmed
command officers (colonels, generals) being killed or captured early on.
Imagine this was WWII, and Patton or Montgomery were caught leaving the French b
order dressed in German enlisted infantry uniforms?  In peacetime those lead
officers are in a position of trust, but aren't checked on a regular basis
regarding the  warehouses of hardware they could've told a sergeant to do if
they were in a western army.  Where did 15 million new uniforms intended for
these reserve troops disappear to?  How about all those tanks missing
reactive anti-armor plates?  The Ukrainians pulled off the armor in terms of
using it themselves, then found it was probably gone before it left the
warehouse.  Corruption at it's worst.

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