Subj : Re: Recession to Depressi
To   : Boraxman
From : Arelor
Date : Sun Jul 24 2022 06:59 am

 Re: Re: Recession to Depressi
 By: Boraxman to Kaelon on Sun Jul 24 2022 12:44 pm

> The reason I ask is that usually when I discuss another system, which ticks
> "Socialist".
>

Here is the thing:

No Capitalist has an issue with anybody setting up a cooperative as you
describe. In fact no Capitalists would object if you managed to run a whole
territory on cooperatives alone, as you describe.

The problem comes when you point at a firm which is not a cooperative, and uses
a traditional structure with an employer and a bunch of employees, and you
claim such model is broken. This is specially problematic because the arguments
in doing so are not new and tipically come from Marxist wannabes going bonkers.
"See, Jack built the shoe making machine and taught me to use it. He is such an
asshat. How come I do all the work for a salary and he gets the profits from
the sales? He is a lazy scumbag. Burn the factory!"

Then there is the fact I think cooperatives only take you so far. As I have
mentioned multiple times already, the only cooperatives that stay healthy are
horizontal ones. Horizontal cooperatives are limited in what they accomplish by
virtue of lacking specialized resources (ie.deeply specialized workers or
deeply specialized machinery).


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