Subj : Capitalism & Corporatism
To : Kaelon
From : Moondog
Date : Wed Jul 20 2022 01:43 am
Re: Capitalism & Corporatism
By: Kaelon to Dr. What on Tue Jul 19 2022 04:43 pm
> Re: Capitalism vs. Corporatis
> By: Dr. What to Kaelon on Tue Jul 19 2022 09:44 am
>
> > The Elitists have an idea that the world would work so much better if the
> > was a small group of smart people directing everything and that the great
> > unwashed masses didn't have to think anymore.
>
> Indeed. There is no doubt that a true meritocracy is the sworn enemy of cor
>
> > One thing that we need to remember, though, is that corporations are not
> > majority of the employers nor are they the driving force of our economy.
> > It's easy to think of them as such because they are so large and visible.
>
> Quite right. Small businesses are the overwhelming employer and driving-for
> f our population. This is one of the many vast corporatist hold-overs from
>
> > The major drivers of the economy are the small businesses.
>
> Of that there can be no doubt. My biggest concern is just how threatened al
> ive government and corporatist controls.
>
> > But those large corporations all started out as single-man operations. S
> > in that respect, they exist because of "true" (whatever that means)
> > capitalism.
> >
> > The problem is that those large corporations have been corrupted by the
> > Elitists - many of whom are in the gov't. Laws, regulations, etc. are pu
> > into place to prevent a small business from disrupting big business's
> > business model.
>
> And what a shame it is! We are in an era where the increasing optimization
> re "next Facebook" or "next YouTube." At some point, these entities labeled
> e behemoths, and saner tax and anti-monopoly regulatory policies will inevit
>
> > I already saw the "create a crisis" play that they often use. (Create a
> > crisis, then use that as an excuse to grab more power to "help avert a
> > diaster", which then causes another crisis, and so on.) But I didn't see
> > the connection to things like WWI and WWII where we "pulled together" and
> > basically became a sociaist country "for a time" in order to fight off th
> > threat.
>
> Yes. The "for a time" essentially became "forever." And even if this wasn'
> o the United States and needed significant subsidizing by the government (in
> hout putting any money down). It's not that we shouldn't care for our veter
> nically, they created countless bubbles that are now all falling apart. For
>
> 1. The College Bubble: This idea that "anyone and everyone can go to college
> Trades. So in the United States, our corporatist policy for subsidizing col
> duates" and degree-holders. No, everyone can't go to college - and the Pand
> oing bankrupt now, and even larger universities have had to re-think their e
>
> 2. The Housing Bubble: This idea that everyone can own a home without saving
> e Second World War, the average minimum wage would now be $33/hour, rather t
> gle family domicile. So what we have instead is a Debtor Nation of people b
> y insufficient income for our populations.
>
> 3. The Wealth Bubble: Big Government required Big Business, and with the era
> , on average, 385x the average individual contributor's salary today) and th
> more than three times the conditions that led to the French Revolution -- on
> sion.
>
> > Side note: I have an interest in railroads, so I've studied much history
> > about them - and not just the Transcontinental Railroad. During WWII the
> > gov't seized control of the railroads because they needed them to move
> > resources around "efficiently". The end result was that after years of
> > gov't control, the railroads were wrecked (too much deferred maintenance,
> > old equipment, etc.). That was one of the reasons road travel became so
> > popular after WWII - the railroads needed time and money to get their sys
> > back in order and they were deep in a hole that they needed to get out of
>
> That is fascinating! I had no idea that railroads were seized in this manne
> ridiculously cheap and unused). Again, government interference in industrie
>
> > One of the problems a gov't has is that once it has power, they will neve
> > let it go completely. And while I haven't researched it, I have heard
> > people assert too much that many of the controls put in place during WWII
> > are still there.
>
> This is true, but far from intentional tyranny this Corporatist Syndicate th
> we have running our political and economic institutions is principally inter
> w have made a dangerous ally in extremists across the political spectrum - b
> n, and it is creating the very social upheaval that will drive further divis
>
> I share Robert Heinlein's view -- that the social scientists have brought ou
> se who compete meritocratically and those who simply subsist off of the safe
> do to unseat this modern tyranny.
> _____
> -=: Kaelon :=-
>
I fear a meritocracy can be gamed and infiltrated by the people they wish to
keep out of power. If service guaratees citizenship and the rights to vote
and hold office, you'll see folks who abhor the concepts of a meritocracy
follow the rules into order to inside.
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