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[40]US Authorities Seize Z-Library Domain Names [41]74
Posted by msmash on Friday November 04, 2022 @10:00AM from the
how-about-that dept.
TorrentFreak [42]reports: Several domains related to popular ebook
repository Z-Library became inaccessible a few hours ago. DNS records
and other information suggest that the shadow library was targeted by
the Postal Inspection Service, in collaboration with the U.S.
Department of Justice. Confusingly, Z-Library says that the downtime is
linked to a hosting issue.
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[72]Judge, Jury, and Executioner ([73]Score:2, Interesting)
by [74]Cool Hands Leia [75]( 10159653 ) writes:
So the Postal Service can just walk around and yank your rights to
speech/publish without a trial now?
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[76]Re: ([77]Score:3)
by [78]Revek [79]( 133289 ) writes:
They have done nothing really. Its still up on tor per
Wikipedia.
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[81]Re: ([82]Score:2)
by [83]JackieBrown [84]( 987087 ) writes:
Never heard of this until now. Now where I'm going after
work
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[86]Re: ([87]Score:2)
by [88]splutty [89]( 43475 ) writes:
Which agencies have which powers is rather.. Weird and
historical in the US.
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[90]makes sense ([91]Score:2)
by [92]OrangeTide [93]( 124937 ) writes:
It makes sense for the USPI to do this given that they operate
the main domestic surveillance program in the US.
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[94]Re: ([95]Score:3)
by [96]ArchieBunker [97]( 132337 ) writes:
But you don't understand. Children could get a hold of these
books and see naughty words!
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[98]Re: ([99]Score:2, Informative)
by [100]smooth wombat [101]( 796938 ) writes:
But you donâ(TM)t understand. Children could get a hold
of these books and see naughty words!
That's the excuse [102]DeSantis is using
[thedailybeast.com] to ban books in Florida libraries.
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[103]It is a hosting issue. ([104]Score:5, Informative)
by [105]splutty [106]( 43475 ) writes: on Friday November 04, 2022
@10:06AM ([107]#63024071)
They just need to host their DNS records elsewhere.
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[114]Re: ([115]Score:1)
by [116]xforce [117]( 1172421 ) writes:
Underground DNS: Hold my book...
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[118]The Author's Guild ([119]Score:5, Funny)
by [120]muh_freeze_peach [121]( 9622152 ) writes: on Friday
November 04, 2022 @10:14AM ([122]#63024095)
Shut down libraries. All those books could have been sold to
someone!
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[129]Re: ([130]Score:1)
by [131]TheReaperD [132]( 937405 ) writes:
You jest, but...
[133]AG Sends Open Letter Demanding "National Emergency
Library" Shut Down. [authorsguild.org]
[134]Authors Guild, Inc. v. Google, Inc. [wikipedia.org]
The only reason they don't go after public libraries is
because they have almost no impact on our society anymore as
COVID-19 closed most of the handful that were remaining and
they're not likely to re-open, that money having being
re-allocated elsewhere and they're not giving it back. So to
attack them at this stage would be beating a dead horse and
causing a firestorm of cr
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[135]Re:The Author's Guild ([136]Score:4, Informative)
by [137]mschuyler [138]( 197441 ) writes: on Friday
November 04, 2022 @12:34PM ([139]#63024561) [140]Homepage
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You are making stuff up. The vast majority of the 16,000
public libraries are open and funded directly by property
taxes. Funding was not "re-allocated." In fact, in those
libraries that did close temporarily because of Covid,
employees were kept on the payroll as they provided books
and materials directly to the car window. The statement
that "Covud-19 closed the handful that were remaining"
makes no sense at all. It's pure fantasy.
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[149]Re: The Author's Guild ([150]Score:2)
by [151]Khyber [152]( 864651 ) writes:
My husband is a librarian and neither of his libraries
shut down or closed. And these are libraries that might
see 30 people a week.
What nonsense are you spewing?
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[153]Re: ([154]Score:2)
by [155]Nrrqshrr [156]( 1879148 ) writes:
Surprisingly, this all started on [157]Tik Tok
[torrentfreak.com] of all places.
Users started using the hashtag #zlibrary to talk about books.
I imagine that the new term kicked off its popularity when
students were wondering where to get all the expensive books.
It seems that the hashtag garnered a little too much attention
and tiktok blocked it. 4 days later the site was down.
One could wonder if the authorities only discovered zlibrary
through the publicity it got when tiktok blocked the hashtag.
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[158]Re: ([159]Score:2)
by [160]kyoko21 [161]( 198413 ) writes:
This is why the first rule of flight club is to never
mention flight club.
All the cool stuff went down in the past because it all
got popular. Happened to Napster and it happened again to
zlibrary.
RIP
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[162]Re: ([163]Score:3)
by [164]mi [165]( 197448 ) writes:
Shut down libraries
This misleads a reader to believe, the books in those
libraries become unavailable. Which would be a lie.
They become unavailable for free...
All those books could have been sold to someone!
Yes. Content-producers should be paid for the content they
produce -- if it is any good. Do you have any objection to
this statement?
And if it is not good, why would you -- or anyone -- lament it
becoming harder to access?
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[166]Re: ([167]Score:2)
by [168]Cultureofone [169]( 8969245 ) writes:
I don't consider the things I have to pay Ransom to
access available. All information belongs to all whoever
lived by inheritance and by right as an existing member
of this universe. Damn the bastards who withhold
everyone's inheritance for selfish gain.
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[170]Re: ([171]Score:3)
by [172]mi [173]( 197448 ) writes:
All information belongs to all
Why limit it to information, normie? Everything
belongs to all!
The best things in life are free anyway, aren't
they?
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[174]Re: ([175]Score:2)
by [176]Cultureofone [177]( 8969245 ) writes:
Because other things are finite, information
can be duplicated without depriving others of
that information infinitely.
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[178]Re: ([179]Score:2)
by [180]mi [181]( 197448 ) writes:
Because other things are finite
False. Energy, for one, is infinite... And
yet, you don't find it immoral, when gas
station asks you for money.
without depriving others of that information infinitely
Goodness gracious, are we back into the
Napster discussion? This bullshit's been
debunked 20 years ago, kido, look it up...
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by [184]Cultureofone [185]( 8969245 )
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I never known a gas station to ask me
for money. They have demanded money
in exchange for goods in many polite
forms and some not so polite with
implied threat of artificial
targeting by law enforcement. I don't
see morality being relevant here. The
risks short-term and long-term seem
clear enough .it's simply a matter of
personal choice and judgment
regarding those risks relative to an
individual's personal goals for self
and environment. No morality needed.
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[186]Re: ([187]Score:1)
by [188]0xG [189]( 712423 ) writes:
It's not content producers that are not being paid. It's
publishing houses. You know, like the RIAA of books...
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[190]Re: ([191]Score:3)
by [192]mi [193]( 197448 ) writes:
It's not content producers that are not being paid. It's publishing
houses
Distinction without difference.
If the content-producer is entitled to compensation
-- which you approve of -- he must be able to sell
that entitlement to whoever is willing to pay for
it. Which turns the distinction you attempted to
make into one without difference. How is this not
immediately obvious, is beyond me...
You know, like the RIAA of books...
Yes, it is exactly the same logic as with music and
other entertainment, a
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[194]Re: ([195]Score:1)
by [196]usedtobestine [197]( 7476084 ) writes:
Be careful. Someone might start buying books in
southeast Asia, at cover price, to Americans,
at that same price, and undercut your
publishing houses by 90%.
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[198]Re: ([199]Score:2)
by [200]JackieBrown [201]( 987087 )
writes:
What's the solution? Charge Southeast Asia
US prices?
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[202]Re: ([203]Score:2, Interesting)
by [204]dsgrntlxmply [205]( 610492 )
writes:
I preferred India editions of textbooks.
They were less expensive, but mostly
because they tended to be printed on
ordinary paper rather than the magazine
glossy paper that makes modern textbooks
physically heavy. One gotcha: a $220
textbook in solid state physics bought for
maybe $60 from India, was missing
signatures and had two bound upside down.
This class was cancelled anyway, so the
defective book did not matter much.
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[206]Re: ([207]Score:1)
by [208]mi [209]( 197448 ) writes:
and undercut your publishing houses by 90%.
Thank you for you concern, but I don't own
stock in any publishing house. Except,
possibly, indirectly -- via an index fund
or some such vehicle.
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[210]Re: ([211]Score:2)
by [212]JackieBrown [213]( 987087 ) writes:
Who pays the content providers, then?
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[214]Re: ([215]Score:2)
by [216]DanielRavenNest [217]( 107550 ) writes:
Whp pays Lady Gaga for billions of YouTube
views? Google does, and ultimately advertisers.
She makes most of her money, though, from live
shows and merchandise. The YouTube videos are
more like ads for her other products, which
actually take work to produce.
I have about 3,000 physical books. I paid for
those, because a physical book has significant
cost to produce. Digital copies cost
effectively nothing to make, and the overhead
is covered by users with their own computers
and internet connections.
If
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[218]Re: ([219]Score:2)
by [220]muh_freeze_peach [221]( 9622152 ) writes:
Publishers should pay the Authors for the books sold,
yes. Some of those books are even directly sold to
Libraries.
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[222]Re: ([223]Score:2)
by [224]Cultureofone [225]( 8969245 ) writes:
Nothing's available until the financial barriers have
been circumvented. Until then there is merely a potential
to make it available relative to the individual that
wishes access it.
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[226]Re: ([227]Score:1)
by [228]zendarva [229]( 8340223 ) writes:
Libraries provide books for free.
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[230]Re: ([231]Score:2)
by [232]mi [233]( 197448 ) writes:
Libraries provide books for free.
A false statement. 2-3 Pinocchios. Libraries cost
plenty of money -- to someone -- librarians need to
be paid. The building of the libraries is not free
either, nor is their maintenance.
Irrelevant too, because the subject matter is
electronic, rather than paper (a.k.a. "dead tree")
books.
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[234]Re: ([235]Score:2)
by [236]VeryFluffyBunny [237]( 5037285 ) writes:
I remember reading that public libraries actually
increase private book sales because they encourage more
people to read, so they buy more books too.
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[238]It is a hosting issue ([239]Score:2)
by [240]nhtshot [241]( 198470 ) writes:
I'd say that losing your DNS qualifies as a hosting issue. Both
takes can be simultaneously accurate.
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[242]Re: ([243]Score:2)
by [244]DarkRookie2 [245]( 5551422 ) writes:
Site where you download ebooks.
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[246]Re: And.. what is Z-library? ([247]Score:5, Informative)
by [248]Martin Blank [249]( 154261 ) writes: on Friday
November 04, 2022 @10:39AM ([250]#63024187) [251]Homepage
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A source of ebooks and articles otherwise mostly available
only through purchase. Probably the most complete source of
pirated books online.
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[260]Re: ([261]Score:3)
by [262]foxtyke [263]( 766988 ) writes:
Probably the only thing that got them truly hemmed up was
the Piracy as a Service model, although I'm still trying
to grasp the logic in how the US Postal Inspection
Service came to be the lead in this whole matter. Is this
the new route around overburdened bureaucracy of the
other 3LAs?
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[264]Re:And.. what is Z-library? ([265]Score:5, Funny)
by [266]ichthus [267]( 72442 ) writes: on Friday November 04,
2022 @10:43AM ([268]#63024193) [269]Homepage
Z library is Z place verr you go to read Z books, dummkopf!
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[277]Re: ([278]Score:2)
by [279]ichthus [280]( 72442 ) writes:
Oof. Sorry, I forgot some of you say "Zed".
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[281]Re: ([282]Score:2)
by [283]OzPeter [284]( 195038 ) writes:
Oof. Sorry, I forgot some of you say "Zed".
Zed's dead baby, Zed's dead
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[285]Re: ([286]Score:2)
by [287]fph il quozientatore [288]( 971015 ) writes:
A "popular ebook repository". It's literally in the first ten
words of TFS.
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[289]Re: ([290]Score:2)
by [291]greytree [292]( 7124971 ) writes:
So a grownup would write the Headline as:
"US Authorities Seize Domain Names of Ebook
Repository 'Z-Library'"
Would that fucking kill the 'editors', whose literal job
it is to do this ?
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[293]Re: ([294]Score:2)
by [295]Diddlbiker [296]( 1022703 ) writes:
You're confusing "headline" with "article." The
latter explains things if the editors do their job;
the headline should tell you if the article is worth
reading or not, not be the article.
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[297]Re: ([298]Score:2)
by [299]greytree [300]( 7124971 ) writes:
The headline should tell you if the story is
worth reading or not by briefly summarising it.
It should not a make you read the story to find
out the basic facts of what it is about.
That is what clickbait does.
So in a headline like "A does X to B", the
reader should know *or be told explicitly* who
A is, who B is and what X is.
( I am pretty sure the SloShdat Oditers don't
*deliberately* write vague headlines - they
don't care about their jobs enough to bother
with that. )
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[301]Really? Is that a what a grown up would do? ([302]Score:2)
by [303]Petersko [304]( 564140 ) writes:
Because I'm pretty sure it's grownups who are
telling you that, "you won't believe what happens
next!"
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[305]Re: ([306]Score:2)
by [307]greytree [308]( 7124971 ) writes:
True.
"You won't believe who the US Authorities have
shut down now!"
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[309]Priorities... ([310]Score:2)
by [311]rickb928 [312]( 945187 ) writes:
I'd rather think our law enforcement agencies can multitask
sufficiently to do two things at once, but I also suspect them in
all things.
So what did Z-Library publish (probably recently) that offended
those in power? Other than the publishers, after all, copyright
infringement is still a popular avocation.
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[313]Re: ([314]Score:2)
by [315]DanielRavenNest [316]( 107550 ) writes:
They stocked everything, literally millions of books and
magazine articles.
There are still other mirror sites:
[317]
https://libgen.rs/book/index.p... [libgen.rs]
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[318]We don't need no stinkin' domain names ([319]Score:4, Informative)
by [320]GameboyRMH [321]( 1153867 ) writes:
<[322]gameboyrmh@@@gmail...com> on Friday November 04, 2022
@10:45AM ([323]#63024209) [324]Journal
Backup address:
[325]
http://zlibrary24tuxziyiyfr7zd... [zlibrary24...2fad.onion]
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[332]Alt domain system? ([333]Score:1)
by [334]jago25_98 [335]( 566531 ) writes:
Isn't there an alternative domain for them using handshake or
unstoppable?
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[336]That's a shame. ([337]Score:2)
by [338]Petersko [339]( 564140 ) writes:
Chalk it up along side of What.cd, which was the best such place I
ever had access to.
I won't claim that I bought everything that I downloaded from
either site - that would be a complete lie. But... there are dozens
of books on my bookshelves that started their lives as Z-library
downloads.
Use case: cookbooks. I love cookbooks. But I need to know that the
recipes inside them are actually reasonably executable before I
plunk down my money. Otherwise they're curiosities.
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[340]Re:That's a shame. ([341]Score:5, Insightful)
by [342]drinkypoo [343]( 153816 ) writes:
<[344]
[email protected]> on Friday November 04, 2022
@11:06AM ([345]#63024289) [346]Homepage [347]Journal
This is what copyright holders fear most -- you will find out
without spending money that their material is not worth paying
for. Studies show time and again that downloaders buy more
media, but they are afraid it won't be theirs because theirs
is crap
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[355]Re: ([356]Score:2)
by [357]rsilvergun [358]( 571051 ) writes:
Yep. This. The goal is to monopolize content in general.
So that if you want to consume content of any kind
(books, TV, movies, games, whatever) you have to come to
them.
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[359]Re: ([360]Score:1)
by Anonymous Coward writes:
This is what copyright holders fear most â" you will find
out without spending money that their material is not
worth paying for. Studies show time and again that
downloaders buy more media, but they are afraid it won't
be theirs because theirs is crap
I've seen the exact same trend with video games,
publishers being terrified of any gameplay showing up
online and striking out with takedown requests and the
like.
For the longest time practically every game I've ever
bought was a direct result of seeing it being played by
one of a handful of people on youtube.
My 1200+ steam library probably has 10 games in total
that are excluded from that practice.
These days, with far less time to spend watching such
things, I've had to streamline the whole process to take
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[361]Re: ([362]Score:2)
by [363]Petersko [364]( 564140 ) writes:
I sort of agree... but the problem with so much
immediate scrutiny is that a "rating" - often even
before release - of, say, 7.5, can be the death
knell for actual profitability. It's harder and
harder to justify taking a risk of producing
anything not guaranteed to either ride a nostalgia
wave, or be a perfect knockout.
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by [367]Petersko [368]( 564140 ) writes:
I agree, a complete media blackout would
be ridiculous, and they would deserve to
fail utterly.
But in truth, I myself do shortlist a lot
of things based on aggregation figures.
There's too much to choose from. I don't
bother with TV shows under 75% on RT,
unless they come referred through a really
trusted friend. It's not that everything
great gets high marks, or that dogshit
doesn't also sneak into the upper tier...
it does. But it's a useful triage in a
world of overplentiful media. I certainly
don't both
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[370]Re: ([371]Score:3)
by [372]OzPeter [373]( 195038 ) writes:
This is what copyright holders fear most -- you will find
out without spending money that their material is not
worth paying for. Studies show time and again that
downloaders buy more media, but they are afraid it won't
be theirs because theirs is crap
The last bit of software I bought, I bought because I
could download a fully functional free trial first. I
used it for a bit and then decided that it fitted my
needs near perfectly. So I happily bought it.
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[374]Re: ([375]Score:2)
by [376]laxguy [377]( 1179231 ) writes:
man.. What.CD... I miss that place :')
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[378]Re: ([379]Score:2)
by [380]Petersko [381]( 564140 ) writes:
I've never seen any place before or since that had better
curation, quality, and user-policed standards.
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[382]Re: ([383]Score:2)
by [384]laxguy [385]( 1179231 ) writes:
completely agree! and I was a part of some pretty
well known "scene" sites. What.cd also had an
amazing community in which you could ask for advise,
recommendations, playlists, rips of specific songs
in specific formats.. ugh.. that place was utopia
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[386]"hosting issue" ([387]Score:2)
by [388]MachineShedFred [389]( 621896 ) writes:
Yeah, the "hosting issue" is that your hosting company was served
with a court order to hand your shit over to the government and
lock you out.
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[390]Re: ([391]Score:2)
by [392]DarkRookie2 [393]( 5551422 ) writes:
It is a hosting issue. They aren't wrong.
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[394]Winners and losers ([395]Score:2)
by [396]pereOlthwaite [397]( 4466407 ) writes:
I'm quite pleased on behalf of Pragmatic Bookshelf, seeing as their
bottom line must have been taking quite a hit off of that thing.
And a little bit sad for Packt Publishing, seeing as obviously
nobody is going to read any of their stuff anymore.
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[398]Z-Lib to Bookshelf Purchases ([399]Score:3)
by [400]Petersko [401]( 564140 ) writes: on Friday November 04,
2022 @12:36PM ([402]#63024571)
Momofuku
The French Laundry Cookbook
Sauces, Classical and Contemporary Fourth Edition
New Native Kitchen
Thai Food
The French Laundry Cookbook
There are lots more. Those are the most recent.
Historically I'm the ideal media consumer. I've bought upwards of a
thousand movies, many twice, a few three times (dvd/bluray/hd) and
maybe even some back to VHS. I've easily bought 2000
cds/cassettes/records. I have a large number of books, even after
divesting all of the paperbacks. Books, though, are the last
remaining bastion for me for physical media. I don't want to splash
food on my iPad, and I don't trust a clean cookbook. I'll be sad if
it goes away completely.
However, I agree that there are plenty of people who don't buy
books, declare them not worth the asking price, consume them anyway
and get utility from them, never contribute, and feel no remorse -
in fact, feel entitled. Those people are pricks.
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[409]Re: Z-Lib to Bookshelf Purchases ([410]Score:2)
by [411]dunkelfalke [412]( 91624 ) writes:
The French Laundry Cookbook must be really good if you bought
it twice.
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Hah - no. Just buy it once.
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by [419]dsgrntlxmply [420]( 610492 ) writes:
It is large and heavy. Two copies are required, one at
each end of the bookshelf, lest the shelf become
imbalanced.
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[421]Re: ([422]Score:2)
by [423]NoWayNoShapeNoForm [424]( 7060585 ) writes:
The French Laundry Cookbook must be really good if you
bought it twice.
I suppose 1 version was personally signed by Gavin
Gruesome?
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