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“I beseech you, in the bowels of Christ, think it possible you may be
mistaken.”

June 28, 2021June 28, 2021 by [18]James the lesser

I’m a scientist now working in IT. I’ve been blogging at
[19]idontknowbut since 2002, when it was the fashion to pick an unusual
“nym.” I decided to be different and use part of my name (not all, to
cut down on spam), but the day came when I found other “james”s with
the same idea and so I tweaked the name. I’ve worked in Berkeley of the
Midwest for years, but I’ve never met Dan.

I’ve some expertise in physics, and interests in history, Africa,
autism, and various “squirrels” that distract me.
__________________________________________________________________

“If you don’t read the newspaper, you are uninformed. If you do read
the newspaper, you are misinformed.”

What Twain actually published was: “Often, the surest way to convey
misinformation is to tell the strict truth.”

If you prefer a more recent source: “It’s better to be uninformed than
misinformed. I even doubt some of the pictures I see in the papers.”
(Orville Hubbard)

A commenter here on [20]HVAC and the Gell-Mann Amnesia Effect wrote
that he tries to interpret news stories using a simple procedure:
determine the bias, and then assume the opposite of what the story
claims. As a rule of thumb it has the obvious problem that every now
and then a liar tells the truth–as with Twain’s liar.

One of the things they tried to drill into us early on was that you had
to measure the measurable, but your measurement wasn’t complete without
an estimate of the error on that measurement. And if you screwed up,
say so. These disciplines aren’t common, but they’re valuable.

How do we figure out what’s real?

“The first principle is that you must not fool yourself, and you are
the easiest person to fool.” (Feynman)

I can go to trusted sources and believe them–just like everybody else
does. They listen to their sources because they trust them, and they
trust them because they’re just like what they’ve always listened to.

True, I have to compare a report with what I already think I know. If I
estimate that it is consistent with what I have heard and believed
already, it’s probably true—but those who believe the NYT and CNN do
exactly the same. They’re in an echo chamber: I need to be sure I’m
not.

We’ve lots of news sources. Sometimes they tell the truth. How do I
know when?

Truth is generally binary, but unfortunately the probability that I
trust a story has to be on a spectrum. If I have seen the scene myself,
I consider it very true. OTOH, I don’t always know the context, and …
“There’s a Bene Gesserit saying,” she said. “You have sayings for
everything!” he protested. “You’ll like this one,” she said. “It goes:
‘Do not count a human dead until you’ve seen his body. And even then
you can make a mistake.”

“even doubt some of the pictures I see” After the Loma Prieta
earthquake, the Goodyear blimp started showing the city instead of the
now-cancelled ball game. We had friends in the area, and kept the TV on
with someone eyeing it all the time. The blimp kept coming back to the
same burning building. No doubt the effort to control the fire made a
fine narrative, but what I wanted was a pan of the city to see how
extensive the destruction was. All I was allowed to see was one burning
building. And, to be fair, the bridge too.

If the story is from a known liar on a topic which he has lied about in
the past and has an interest in lying about again, I judge the
probability small. But not zero—as Twain noted, you can lie telling the
truth—just leave out important context.

For each story, suppose the bare facts of the story (strip out the
emotive stuff) are correct. What context is missing? Sometimes I can
infer the missing context from “What would X be likely to do, and how
would CNN interpret that?”

When trying to figure out the missing context, recall that people like
to think they’re good people, and justify themselves. If that involves
misrepresenting someone else’s motives or leaving out benign details,
they’ll do it. But if they have any residual integrity, they’ll be
uncomfortable leaving too much out–so there may be hints as to what’s
missing. Otherwise I have to draw on what little I know of the
characters involved to imagine what they left out.

I can assume that if CNN reports on controversial politics or social
mores the report is false; either false in its facts or false in its
framing. But what if they report on a storm, or a revolution in Chad,
or a new business? They have no obvious reason to lie, except of course
the reporter’s need to have an interesting story on a deadline. NYT and
Daily News reporters have been known to make stuff up—not that long
ago, either.

And sometimes politics and corruption invade what ought to be
non-political realms. Remember Lysenko? Stories about his work might
have seemed like science, but behind the scenes it was ideology down
the line. Stories about a business (especially green ones) seem not
infrequently to be puff pieces designed to spur investment in the
bubble.

Lies about non-socio-political topics will probably trip me up, unless
I have some prior knowledge about the situation.

Often if you remember prior stories about the same topic, you’ll notice
that the “breakthrough” is incremental at best and rate the story
accordingly. Or that the suspect seems to appear rather frequently in
the police blotter. I don’t know about you, but my memory isn’t that
prodigious.

I can cross-check. Do I hear the same report elsewhere?

Unfortunately the masters of smear and of advertising have learned how
to spread their stories around so that they appear to be verified
independently. Many outlets grab the same press release independently.
Can I tell what the source was from reading the story? Sometimes yes.
If I can’t figure out what the source is, that counts against the
story’s veracity.

Can I check the original source? I’ve had a hobby of researching
science reports in the media and comparing them to the originals—and a
depressing hobby it is, too. By the time the [21]telephone game plays
out to the clickbait headline, the research often isn’t recognizable.
Sadly, some of the originals are paywalled or in languages I don’t know
or in notes never actually put online.

Apply the 24-hour rule. First reports are generally wrong. OTOH,
sometimes the first report is all you get.

Is the story trying to manipulate my emotions? Does the sick widow
really represent the majority of the attempted immigrants? Common sense
says no, and counts against the story’s veracity.

Does the story make sense? Someone (haven’t found the quote) wrote that
a 19’th century Englishman would commit any crime, do any treason,
before he would walk Trafalgar Square without his pants. I was solemnly
told back in 2016 that there was pedophilia dirt on Trump that was
being kept secret. Tell me that Hitler regularly vacationed in London
in 1943; it’s just as plausible—the secret couldn’t be kept.

Similarly, we were all solemnly assured that Vladimir “my country stays
afloat with hydrocarbon sales” Putin wanted Donald “fracking” Trump to
win the election in 2016. Nope; that’s an obvious lie. The advantage of
it is that I could note who trumpeted it and put them on my liars list.
__________________________________________________________________

Maybe a case history showing how I tried to understand a story would be
helpful. Or interesting. Or not.

Let me use a relatively simple story: Wuhan 2019A aka Covid-19 aka
Wuflu aka horrible plague aka “nothing-burger.” (I have family and
friends who were knocked down for 3 months with it. That’s not trivial.
I also had friends mildly sick for a week.)

The first stories were about Wuhan, the Diamond Princess, and the Italy
disaster.

Wuhan reports were of a contagious and dangerous virus, and that the
government was using extreme measures to halt it. They had a motive to
lie—the same one all dictatorships do—underplay the problems, trumpet
the good things. Announcing problems is against interest, so we could
assume the problem was at least as bad as they claimed. The Chinese
released a RNA sequencing of the virus, which sounded like they’d been
working on it for a while, but were offering info in good faith. And
they claimed some success using hydroxychloroquine. Since they were
confessing problems, and seemingly acting in good faith, I could give
some credence to the early stories.

The Diamond Princess showed that it was deadly, but only a few percent
would die, even in a population that skewed older. It was a nice
controlled environment for testing, with few confounding issues. Some
people stayed sick for a long time (see later personal experience
above). The Diamond Princess owners would have had a great incentive to
lie about illness aboard their ship—bad PR—but the Japanese didn’t. It
seemed trustworthy information.

Reports from Italy sounded like a true disaster. Unfortunately, they
didn’t come with the demographic details that would let one compare it
to the Diamond Princess numbers. How much excess capacity did Italian
hospitals have? If none, any plague will have people dying in the
halls. Things sounded bad, but when you started asking questions about
rates, the numbers weren’t there. The Italians didn’t seem to have a
reason to lie about it, so the information was true—but not complete or
useful.

I did not listen to the news. I gather from the effect of the news on
other people that the media played up the danger-danger-danger aspects.

The early Chinese reports mentioned hydroxychloroquine.
Hydroxychloroquine seemed a very odd medicine to treat a virus. (I had
taken it weekly for years as a malaria prophylactic.) So I went to
Google and looked up the papers that dealt with that. (I trusted Google
not to hide the information. Why would they lie about medicine?
Politics, sure, but why bother to lie about this?) I skimmed the papers
I found, and learned to my surprise that the drug has been used against
viruses too, and that the Chinese tests against Covid were preliminary
and low-statistics, but positive.

A doctor claimed positive results in Europe, in another low-statistics
sample. A later study using it on gravely ill patients found no
benefit—I hope no-one here is surprised. So far, these reports seemed
reliable within their limits, and didn’t disprove each other.

At this point I started taking a little more note of the news and found
that chloroquine was now claimed to be both useless and dangerous
(heart issues—actually retinopathy is the more common risk). From what
I knew now, neither claim could be justified. Chloroquine had merely
been proved not to be a miracle cure for the dying, and the heart risk
was lower than the risk of the disease. From a reporter I could expect
such exaggeration, but these came from health officials—or at least the
officials never seemed to correct a misinterpretation. Somebody was
lying.

Why would they lie? Just because Trump had said the drug might be
useful? That’s an unworthy motive, but I sounded a sample of
acquaintances and concluded that they were prejudiced to believe that
anything Trump said was a lie and must be opposed. I could no longer
trust that NYT/CNN and even the FDA/CDC could tell the truth on what
ought to be a non-political question.

At the same time, I started frequently reading that chloroquine was a
miracle drug and that anti-Trump people and big-pharma (in search of
expensive/profitable new drugs) were suppressing it. (Chloroquine
hadn’t been proven useful yet—that would take a large study. I looked
at one of the meta-studies that asserted that it wasn’t useful, and
wasn’t impressed.) Oops. I couldn’t trust the “right-wing” channels
either. (The claim about big-pharma isn’t easy to prove or disprove.)

Skipping to the present—YouTube and Facebook have been caught deleting
stories about the disease. They claim this is merely deleting dangerous
misinformation. No doubt some of it is—but how do I know that? They’ve
lied before. I can’t rely on the search engines to find unskewed
information. I can’t even rely on DuckDuckGo: it turns out to rely on
Bing, and Microsoft has already been caught censoring stories on
China’s behalf.
__________________________________________________________________

I’m not a doctor or a medical researcher–this was a layman’s attempt to
figure out what was going on.

At end of the day, unless I’m willing to put in work to find out the
truth, I’m not going to get it.

I am not advocating utter skepticism. A lot of the news stories are
more or less accurate–or would be if they were ever followed-up on. My
stint on a grand jury gave me an appreciation for how inaccurate
initial crime reports can be.

But I try to cultivate a “not proven” attitude to the news–especially
early reports. “If your mother says she loves you, check it out.” We
can’t rely on journalists–we have to do it ourselves.

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34 thoughts on ““I beseech you, in the bowels of Christ, think it possible
you may be mistaken.””

1.
MCS
[25]June 28, 2021 at 7:39 am
We can treat the building collapse in Miami as a test, we’re
already seeing all the stages of misinformation.
The one knowledgeable person who examined the building in 2018
found troubling maintenance problems including deterioration of
load bearing members but wasn’t concerned with the structural
integrity except as a distant in time contingency. Another
investigator using satellite synthetic aperture radar has measured
subsidence amounting to less than an inch in ten years. That amount
of settling is not generally a cause of failure.
Personally, I’m glad I haven’t underwritten the professional
liability insurance of the first engineer. I’m betting it will turn
out to be some combination of poor materials, poor design. poor
construction and deterioration from a hostile climate and likely
all of them.
So far, the stories I’ve read are keeping open all the
possibilities as they should. A look at the site indicates that it
will probably be months to years until an authoritative conclusion
is reached. Aeons longer than the attention span of the press. I’ll
give it no more than a few days until the void is being filled with
nothing more than speculation, assuming I haven’t missed the start
of that phase already.
2.
[26]Mike K
[27]June 28, 2021 at 9:28 am
I have a son who is a lawyer specializing in construction defect
litigation. I haven’t talked to him since this story began but will
soon. As far as I know he has not yet moved to Florida (joke) but
the potential money involved has to be limited. The building is 40
years old and the HOA owns it. I wonder what their insurance limits
are ?
3.
Brian
[28]June 28, 2021 at 9:59 am
Contemporary media articles are basically nothing but an unholy
combination of Argument from Authority and Ad hominem logical
fallacies. People need to accept that the reality of the MSM has
nothing to do with the image they’ve built for themselves. Once you
make that mental shift that they’re vicious partisans, their
coverage makes total sense and you don’t have to try to justify
their “mistakes” as being due to “incompetence” or “stupidity” or
whatnot.
Re: covid, as I said back then, to me the precautionary principle
said that there was something new with too many unknowns, and in
that situation you should act as if things aren’t “safe” until
proven so, not act as if they are unless proven not to be. (I also
still have never heard an explanation of how the “natural origin”
theory can possibly be squared with the actions of the CCP starting
last January.) So we should have shut down international travel in
January, and we’d have been far better off. Take the immediate cost
in order to avoid the possibility of the catastrophic outcome that
you don’t have enough information to quantify. And I think we
should have shut down schools by March, even a bit before we did.
However, by the summer we knew definitively enough about it that
schools should have been opened up completely normally by
September. Unfortunately partisanship has melted people’s brains,
and as we’ve seen in recent decades of the school shooting
hysteria, people are absolutely terrible in making risk
assessments.
4.
Bill Brandt
[29]June 28, 2021 at 1:46 pm
If you still listen to CNN (the most popular network voted by those
trapped in airline terminals) – my hat is off to you. My question
is, why?
Most of the times these sources don’t overtly lie – Trump and the 3
year long accusation of “Russia Collusion” exempted – but they lie
by omission.
I have generally found that the overseas sources of newspapers are
more accurate. And the WSJ.
5.
fiona
[30]June 28, 2021 at 2:10 pm
Re: Miami Condo Collapse. Here’s what I heard from an elderly
acquaintance in the engineering field, who has lived and worked in
and around Miami for many years. The two buildings of the condo
were planned and designed at the same time by the company that had
the planning permission. The North building (still standing) was
completed first and selling for occupancy. The South building
{partial collapse} was at that time complete only to the foundation
and parking garage when the owner went bankrupt. While the legal
and financial problems were worked out, the shell of the South
building sat in the sun and salt for some time, between 8 months
and a year, maybe longer. When building resumed, evidently no
action was taken to remediate the exposed parts.
To your point in this post – this information is presumably
available via public information in the Miami-Dade real estate data
base. I am not interested enough to research, but where is the
reporter looking for a story? Not relevant to hanging DJT or
DeSantis, so not interesting.
6.
[31]Mike K
[32]June 28, 2021 at 2:48 pm
I did hear from my son who agrees that the loss will be
catastrophic and the D&O insurance will have limits far below the
loss plus death liability. Apparently, he has heard that a vote was
held after that 2018 report for an assessment to do the repairs and
it was voted down. I wonder what banks hold mortgages on those
condos ?
7.
[33]Mike K
[34]June 28, 2021 at 2:53 pm
While the legal and financial problems were worked out, the shell
of the South building sat in the sun and salt for some time,
between 8 months and a year, maybe longer. When building resumed,
evidently no action was taken to remediate the exposed parts.
There was an Oceanside CA condo project that went bankrupt back in
the 70s and stood as a concrete shell for 10-15 years. It was
finally completed and stands to day as the only ocean front high
rise in that area. The soil in that area may be quite a bit
different from that in FL.
8.
[35]Assistant Village Idiot
[36]June 28, 2021 at 3:22 pm
I would like to give a general plug for James, who has had a good
blog these many years and has been a valuable contributor to my
site. (Defined as someone who usually but not always agrees with
me.)
Brian, I think your assessment of the Covid responses is correct. I
don’t know how we could have known it easily, but more response
earlier and less later, particularly WRT children’s exposure seems
about right. Over the last few days i have been trying to figure
out what the underlying causes of the partisanship on the right
were, all the way back to last spring. (The underlying causes of
leftist partisanship are fairly obvious and well-known at this
site, but the conservative ones seem like something new, and thus I
want to try out a lot of possibilityies in my head before opining.)
9.
[37]Assistant Village Idiot
[38]June 28, 2021 at 3:23 pm
Oh yes, WRT James’s site. Go over and look up physics explanations
of things in the news over the years. He has made many things
clearer to me.
10.
[39]PenGun
[40]June 28, 2021 at 6:33 pm
Everything is propaganda now, Its a war against everything, by
everyone and its extremely amusing.
My long held practice of believing no one, has yielded a bunch of
usually truthful people and organizations, who often have real
clues as to what is happening. I was able to almost immediately get
information on Roman Protasevich almost immediately. It was
hilarious.
The western media is completely co-opted, and just pumps out
America’s latest set of talking points about everything. The entire
China bad crap is being rolled out a fact, although there is little
evidence to support that.
Its lies, all the way down and that is resting on a lie itself.
There is a good reason for Bodidharma’s rather apocalyptic
statement about reality: “Vast emptiness, nothing holy.” ;)
11.
[41]Linda S Fox
[42]June 28, 2021 at 6:36 pm
I’ve actually been on Hydroxychloroquine for some time – for my
Rheumatoid Arthritis. As I understand it, the main action of the
drug may be to calm down inflammation (which is the source of the
swelling and pain usual in RA). It’s worked fine for me, with very
few side effects. The known eye problems seldom occur in the first
5 years of taking it daily.
Probably the most problems caused by COVID were aggravated by the
ventilators, which, when used in a supine position, not only dry
out the respiratory system (leaving it vulnerable to secondary
infections), but also made breathing much harder. The ONE simple
step of turning COVID patients over on their stomachs was
associated with greatly reduced morbidity.
Frankly, hospitals allowed themselves into being pressured to
over-treat the symptoms, and probably led to more than a few
deaths. The over-stressed staffs skimped on cleaning and infection
protocols, and that had a major effect, too.
Add in lack of sleep and heightened stress – I’d be very surprised
if all of the above hadn’t contributed to the death tolls.
The thing is, few people are familiar with what good home nursing
can do. There was a story in a major publication that had the wife
of a patient describing how she cared for her husband at home. He
survived, which I somehow doubt that he would have in a hospital
(and, he would have been largely isolated from those he knew).
12.
Gavin Longmuir
[43]June 28, 2021 at 6:48 pm
“At end of the day, unless I’m willing to put in work to find out
the truth, I’m not going to get it. … We can’t rely on
journalists–we have to do it ourselves.”
I keep returning to my late father’s advice — Listen carefully to
what people say; listen even more carefully to what they do not
say.
As far as the CovidScam, the issue which got most of us really
concerned at the beginning was those phone videos from China of
well-dressed working age men collapsing on the sidewalk. Never
happened again, not anywhere, and the reason why not cannot now be
discussed in polite society. Today we see a US that has been
permanently hobbled by business shut-downs and huge unrepayable
debts — and a China that is booming. We have to draw our own
conclusions.
Or look at the BLMScam. When the arrest of a non-cooperative
drugged-up unhealthy suspect goes wrong, all hell breaks loose. But
when a dozen or more “Black” people are shot to death on a typical
Chicago weekend, it is not mentioned in enlightened circles.
Or look at the Climate Change Scam, where the relevance of
overwhelming geological & historical evidence of continuous major
non-anthropogenic change is never addressed, and even the vital
role of the Carbon Cycle in maintaining all plant & animal life on
Earth is ignored.
Unless the proponents of something that they claim requires more
intrusive government, higher taxes, and less liberty are proactive
about openly addressing all the relevant issues, it is safe to
assume they are promoting a scam.
13.
[44]PenGun
[45]June 28, 2021 at 10:18 pm
Lol, I am barely coherent. Must be the heat we are smashing records
by almost 10 degrees celsius every few days. Anyway a test to see
what percolates.
Have you heard about Assange lately? A name so hated the spell
checker won’t do it. ;)
His dad was pleading his case when they let anyone near the court.
No one cares, but at about the same time the chief witness, maybe
its coincidence, has admitted his case was all lies, and fed by the
CIA.
Does this make it to any of you? I am everywhere, so I pick this
stuff up right away.
14.
Xennady
[46]June 29, 2021 at 7:39 am
But I try to cultivate a “not proven” attitude to the
news–especially early reports.
This is a very charitable attitude towards the news, much more
charitable than is deserved. I think “journalist” is a polite way
to say “professional paid leftist liar.”
I recall many years ago I bought the paper the day after an
election to find out the local results. There were column after
column of no data. I figured, OK, it went to press early in the AM,
and the votes weren’t counted yet. So I bought the paper again the
next day. There were no results printed at all. I don’t recall how
much mention there was of the election, if any, but I do remember
that there were no vote totals mentioned.
No vote totals. I used to think this was mere incompetence, but in
light of recent events, I suspect it was to help cover up vote
fraud. You can’t object to suspicious results if you don’t even see
the numbers.*
Another example- I was following a particular pundit named Hugh
Hewitt during the 2006 election cycle. There were several GOP-held
senate seats with the Republican candidate reported to be narrowly
behind, according to various polls. Hewitt dug through the
internals of those polls and was reporting that actually the
Republicans were ahead, because democrats were way oversampled,
etc, etc. Then the election happened. The Republicans lost, and I
distinctly recall thinking that the polls were right after all.
Well, gosh. At that time, I figured that the idea that US elections
were fraud-based kabuki theater was crazy talk conspiracy nonsense-
but then came 2020. I have been inspired to revise my opinions to
conclude that vote fraud has been a far more significant factor in
American elections than I ever would have supposed, undertaken by a
much more extensive operation than I ever would have suspected.
And that could never have managed to succeed without the active
participation of “journalists.” No one should ever trust these
people, period.
*This paper, btw, was the Detroit Free Press. This became the only
newspaper in Detroit in the 1990s thanks to a “joint operating
agreement” with the conservative-leaning Detroit News. Locally,
this was a Significant Event. It was promised that both editorial
boards would be maintained- the Free Press was and I presume still
is leftist- and for a while they were. Then after a few years the
conservative editor for the Detroit News was fired and its
conservative-leaning editorial section was printed deep in the
advertising section.
The fun bit was the that the “journalists” of the Free Press
claimed that the editor of the News had chosen to retire- which was
a lie, because he had a column with the Wall Street Journal and
wrote about what actually happened- and the whole reason for the
JOA in the first place was because the leftist Free Press was being
put out of business by the conservative Detroit News. Bottom line,
again- journalists are lying leftist liars who lie and no one
should believe anything they say, ever, on any topic.
15.
[47]Mike K
[48]June 29, 2021 at 12:29 pm
The western media is completely co-opted, and just pumps out
America’s latest set of talking points about everything. The entire
China bad crap is being rolled out a fact, although there is little
evidence to support that.
Says the China troll. Hilarious.
16.
Bill Brandt
[49]June 29, 2021 at 1:33 pm
Something I have wondered for months – why hasn’t anyone in the
media bothered to investigate the source behind Derek Chauvin’s
staying on the police force? It was either an indifferent
Minneapolis police dept, or the police union.
I suspect it was the union, that the media people didn’t want to
ruffle their feathers.
17.
[50]PenGun
[51]June 29, 2021 at 1:53 pm
“Says the China troll. Hilarious.”
So you have evidence? Or are just a believer. ;)
18.
[52]Mike K
[53]June 29, 2021 at 5:06 pm
why hasn’t anyone in the media bothered to investigate the source
behind Derek Chauvin’s staying on the police force?
Bill, AFAIK Chauvin was following guidelines for uncooperative
subjects. There are rumors about his personal life but I have seen
nothing but speculation and bad faith. He was called by the rookies
who were unable to control Floyd. I think he died of a drug
overdose, NOT pressure on his neck. The pressure put on the
Minneapolis ME was despicable.
19.
Bill Brandt
[54]June 29, 2021 at 10:51 pm
Mike that’s a whole aspect that has never been brought up by our
media. Which gets back to the initial subject.
I heard a good saying about all the so-called “journalists”.
That is, unless they are willing to investigate a subject matter
objectively they are just propagandists.
20.
MCS
[55]June 30, 2021 at 7:07 am
The entire issue of exactly how how Chauvin’s actions aligned with
the training and existing policy of the Minneapolis PD doesn’t seem
to have been explored at the trial. I am basing that on what I read
on Powerline which had an observer at the trial. There were a lot
of rumors that Chauvin’s behavior was something out of his
training, you’d think if there was some evidence that it would have
been a major issue. His defense was certainly handicapped by a lack
of resources and possibly by less than stellar representation.
The simplest explanation is that the rumors about the training were
simply false. Another could be that his lawyer thought that
bringing it up would be counterproductive for some reason. Any
exploration in the press would have implied possible mitigation and
was therefore, out of bounds. Even Powerline seems to have started
from the premise that his actions couldn’t have been justified.
21.
[56]Mike K
[57]June 30, 2021 at 10:08 am
MCS, remember that the expert brought from LA by his defense lawyer
was attacked and the house he used to occupy was vandalized. There
was enormous pressure to lynch Chauvin and I thought his lawyer did
a fair job. An appeal should be granted but won’t be in that state.
The trial should have been moved but wasn’t. That decided it.
22.
miguel cervantes
[58]June 30, 2021 at 10:20 am
it was well in keeping with training protocols, next time just give
him a head shot would have had the same impact, and put him out of
his misery,
23.
[59]Mike K
[60]June 30, 2021 at 11:54 am
The change of venue issues bring back the OJ trial and the Rodney
King cops’ trial. Garcetti, the father of the LA Mayor, was the DA
and he moved the OJ trial to downtown LA from Brentwood where the
crime occurred so he could get more blacks on the jury. Viola !
Acquittal !
The Rodney King cops were tried in the community where the incident
occurred and acquitted. The Clinton DOJ charged them with a federal
crime, civil rights, and a downtown jury convicted them. Bingo ! I
sent money to Stacey Koon’s family while he was in prison. Gross
injustice but not unexpected.
24.
[61]Mike K
[62]June 30, 2021 at 11:59 am
[63]Stacey Koon seems to be still suffering consequences, for
saving Rodney King’s life. Melanie Singer, the CHP cop who stopped
him for speeding, was about to shoot him when the LAPD arrived and
took him down with minimal injuries. She testified against the LAPD
cops twice and then retired on stress disability.
25.
[64]Jester Naybor
[65]July 1, 2021 at 7:35 am
One of the things they tried to drill into us early on was that you
had to measure the measurable, but your measurement wasn’t complete
without an estimate of the error on that measurement. And if you
screwed up, say so. These disciplines aren’t common, but they’re
valuable.
My profession – electrical engineering – is prone to confirmation
bias at the level of 4-1/2 digits; I tell young engineers that
unless you understand WHY the meter is reading what it it is
reading, that reading can easily lead you to the wrong conclusion.
People need to accept that the reality of the MSM has nothing to do
with the image they’ve built for themselves.
[66]https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/fef3bcb7591c103d955c84224a
19840a87e983210ee19ed0184560d066b7783f.png
26.
m1shu
[67]July 1, 2021 at 10:52 am
“That is, unless they are willing to investigate a subject matter
objectively they are just propagandists.”
Remember when journalists were whinging about “both sidesism”? They
were finally saying the quiet part out loud. They prefer to be
porpagandists.
27.
NateWhilk
[68]July 1, 2021 at 3:04 pm
Related to the Gell-Mann effect:
Knoll’s Law of Media Accuracy (Erwin Knoll, editor, “The
Progressive”) :
“Everything you read in the newspapers is absolutely true—except
for the rare story of which you happen to have firsthand
knowledge.”
George Orwell, “Homage to Catalonia” (1938):
“…it was the first time that I had seen a person whose profession
was telling lies—unless one counts journalists.”
Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Norvell (June 11, 1807):
‘It is a melancholy truth, that a suppression of the press could
not more completely deprive the nation of its benefits, than is
done by its abandoned prostitution to falsehood.
“Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. Truth
itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle.
The real extent of this state of misinformation is known only to
those who are in situations to confront facts within their
knowledge with the lies of the day.”
28.
[69]PenGun
[70]July 1, 2021 at 5:04 pm
I have a good idea about what is going on. Its a bit of work, but
you can find out so much now. Taking that capability, and using it
to discern the lies told everywhere, by cross relating them, you
can build up a pretty good picture of the truth.
That allows you to see who always lies to you, who sometimes lies
to you, and those few who regularly tell the truth.
As well, wandering as widely as you can while doing this, keeps you
from self reinforcing echo chambers, like this one for instance,
that talk about their small range of interests, mostly to make
themselves feel better, about their selves.
Congratulations to the CCP on its hundredth birthday BTW. ;)
29.
TRX
[71]July 3, 2021 at 4:27 pm
> DuckDuckGo uses Bing
Dogpile used to forward searches to multiple search engines, but
apparently they just use Google and Yahoo! (which now forwards to
Bing) now.
A lot of stories that get ignored, memory-holed, or unlinked by
Google and Bing can be found on Yandex. I’m sure Yandex has its own
censorship and bias, but it’s not the *same* censorship and bias as
Google and Bing.
30.
Ginny
[72]July 3, 2021 at 11:15 pm
It’s not like Jefferson didn’t use the press to spread his own
disinformation. He is a remarkable hero in so many ways – a man
whose pen we can all be thankful for. Still.
31.
Kirk Parker
[73]July 9, 2021 at 3:05 pm
“The entire China bad crap is being rolled out a fact, although
there is little evidence to support that”
Could you possibly be any more transparent?
32.
[74]Mike K
[75]July 9, 2021 at 9:30 pm
As a rule of thumb it has the obvious problem that every now and
then a liar tells the truth–as with Twain’s liar.
“All Cretans lie,” said the Cretan.
Charlie Crist is planning to run as a Democrat against DeSantis and
he is accusing DeSantis of responsibility for the condo collapse.
He is not mentioning [76]the bill he signed 10 years ago that
reduced the condo owners’ liability.
But now, over ten years later, reports indicate that there were
provisions repealed in SB 1196 that may have contributed to delayed
action related to structural deficiencies at the Champlain Towers
South.
Based on a report by NBC 6 South Florida, the 2008 law required
condo associations to hire engineers or architects to submit
reports every five years about how much it would cost to keep up
with repairs.
However, SB 1196 did away with these requirements.
33.
Jonathan
[77]July 9, 2021 at 11:01 pm
NBC reported, that a year before the collapse “the Champlain Towers
South Condominium Association began a desperate search for $16.2
million to fix major structural damage that was slowly threatening
the Surfside high-rise.” At the time, the condo board documents
indicated the association had only $770,000 in reserves.
$770k is actually a substantial reserve. It doesn’t make sense to
tie up a significant fraction of a condo building’s replacement
cost in a cash reserve as a hedge against the extremely unlikely
possibility that millions in structural repairs will be necessary.
That’s what special assessments and commercial insurance policies
are for.
What protects condo residents isn’t cash reserves but rather the
willingness of condo boards to do necessary repairs in a timely way
and, if necessary, to evacuate buildings if structural failure
seems possible. I know of a waterfront condo building that was
condemned and evacuated for a couple of years so that serious
structural problems could be fixed. Of course this cost the owners
a ton of money, but it was better than risking a collapse, or
tearing down the building on a preventive basis.
I doubt Crist will get anywhere. The Democrats are eager to exploit
any event that might be used to weaken DeSantis.
34.
MCS
[78]July 10, 2021 at 12:09 am
Here’s some videos from an engineer that goes through the plans and
some of the documents with good, not too technical explanations. I
found most of his points persuasive.
[79]https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9xpl8LyFRsKXASGHBBj_xQ
There are a number of different episodes including one where he is
able to tie together a video taken seven minutes before the
collapse that shows the ceiling of the parking garage starting to
collapse and the sprinkler main broken with the plans showing where
the major collapse probably started.
As far as I’ve heard, none of the engineers that examined the
structure said that there was a danger of collapse. I’m betting
several engineers and building officials will be spending most of
the next several years in court explaining.

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