Subj : Russia and Ukraine
To   : Alan Ianson
From : alexander koryagin
Date : Wed May 25 2022 08:57 am

Hi, Alan Ianson!
I read your message from 23.05.2022 11:06

 ak>> The main task of the invasion -- to stop Donbass shelling

 AI> The main objective according to Putin was the denazification of
 AI> Ukraine. Russia fired missiles all over Ukraine and then started
 AI> their invasion sending troops to take over the city and install a
 AI> puppet governemnt.

 AI> Of course Russia failed and has since changed course looking to
 AI> gain ground in the Donbass region.

Well, indeed, the strategy of the tiger to gobble up a goat in one piece
has failed. I believe the next one it will be to gnaw its rump. ;)

 AI> Of course there are no nazi's in Ukraine. That was all just
 AI> propaganda for the citizens of Russia to support with the invasion,
 AI> or "special military operation" as some like to call it.

Uhu, look at the tatu of captured mariupol angels:
https://newsofrussia.ru/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/azvostal.jpg

 ak>> Russian troops are not able to do even now, for a while.
 AI> Of course not. There is nothing in Ukraine for Russia.

There is Russian people in Ukraine. ;-)

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 AI> The people of Ukraine elected Zelensky. That was their choice. Did
 AI> the people of Russia elect Putin? I don't think so.

Elections in nowadays is a very funny process, even in America. ;-) But
suppose a situation when some fucking Nazi approach to you and shout
"Glory Ukraine" and you must shout "Glory to Heroes" the only way to
keep yourself safe.

 ak>> Russians in Ukraine will say themselves who are they want to be
 ak>> free of.
 AI> There is a fairly basic flaw in your statement. Do you see it?

I don't see it. If Arabs in Palestine hate Israel occupants the world
see it perfectly well. So we see the true position of the Russian people
in Ukraine soon too, especially in southern and eastern Ukraine.

 ak>> When they will be free of nationalists threats. But I am afraid
 ak>> Kiev will be dissatisfied and have a pity for itself that it
 ak>> didn't follow Minsk agreements.

 AI> The real threat in the east of Ukraine is Russian forces who
 AI> actually invaded Ukraine some years ago.

As you see it from your American divan. ;-)

 ak>>> The crippling sanctions would do the same as it now, but tens of
 ak>>> thousands of Ukrainians were still alive.

 AI> You are conflating sanctions and civilian lives. Those Ukrainians
 AI> would still be alive if Russia had not invaded Ukraine and destryed
 AI> their homes, families and lives.

But it is not a Russia aim to "destroy homes, families and lives". There
is no logic and any sense in that. Ukraine had all means to solve the
problems without fighting with Russia. But I repeat that Ukrainian
nationalists hated Russia so much that any concessions from them had
been impossible for 8 years. And now they are impossible while an
clown-actor stays as a president, who plays it as in a movie.

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 ak>> I said to you that such an invasion cannot be without a very
 ak>> serious reason. You prefer don't see it, and it your mistake.
 AI> I see the lack of reason.

Even the non-existent Universe before Big Bang had some events that led
to the blast. ;)

 ak>>> You are crazy if you compare Hitler and Putin intentions towards
 ak>>> Ukrainians. ;)

 AI> Really. Do you know what has happened in Mariupol, Kharkiv and many
 AI> other places? The Donbass region is more or less destroyed now.
 AI> That is not Ukraine's fault, Ukraine didn't do that.

What do you think Russian troops would have done to Ukrainian people if
they allowed Russian troops enter freely? Fighting with Russia was a
crazy idea for Zelensky and irreconcilable nationalists and a big part
of the calamity lay on them. Who is guilty more -- people will say it later.

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 ak>> I assure you that many idiots are guilty in the current situation,
 ak>> and one one them a fucking actor-clown who cannot tell a movie
 ak>> from reality.

 AI> You blame Zelensky, a man who was just elected in 2019 but as you
 AI> told me yourself Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014 and has been
 AI> supporting the suparatists in the east since then bankrolling
 AI> salaries to local officials and the separatist military forces.

No wonder -- Ukraine had blockaded Donbass completely and Russia was
forced to pay money to all the people living on the blockaded territory,
not allowing them to die of hunger etc.

Bye, Alan!
Alexander Koryagin
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