Subj : SBBS/W32 Kermit SABOTAGE
To : Stephen Hurd
From : Michel Samson
Date : Wed Nov 10 2004 08:54 am
Hi Stephen,
About "SBBS/W32 Kermit SABOTAGE" in two parts of November 9:
MS> ...each... ...was supposed to contribute with what he knew best...
SH> Not sure what the deal was...
You should find some clues in the *1* week record i made available:
http://public.sogetel.net/bicephale/Vert-801.QWK.ZIP (284 Kb)
SH> ...I only know of two people with any real hands-on kermit...
^^^^^^
I wrote it before: i'll discuss the `Kermit' protocol, preferably.
SH> My use of kermit... ...faster to use something else.
Believe me, _your_ use of `Kermit' isn't involved! I just react to
a situation where SysOps (like Gregg Somes, for example) can't manage to
install Rob's .INI without getting `Kermit' aborts ("UnKnown FileSize");
one may also conclude you experienced no proper `Kermit' setup just yet.
SH> ...provide a useable Kermit file transfer to those people who use
SH> Kermit because they want to. Personally, I would believe that these
SH> are the people who would have a sane Kermit... not people using
SH> HyperTerminal for example which has a terrible Kermit...
When Swindell wrote about `HyperTerminal' he didn't care to mention
*NUMBERS*; the chances are he was getting below 600 cps even in a local
~TelNet~ session because he didn't say otherwise when it was on topic...
But reality is even more complex! We're aware that practically all
`Kermit' transfers in `HyperTerminal' are bound to crawl but i also made
comments about a very controversial information here: when i tested the
`C-Kermit 5A(189)'/`HyperTerminal' duo side-by-side via `VSPD XP v4', it
revealed excessive errors and a failure to terminate on completion but i
observed transfer rates which went FAR BEYOND MY EXPECTATIONS (3K5 cps),
nonetheless! I didn't have much time to invest for discovering a "magic
spell" which brings it back to life, euh... so, `HyperTerminal' remains
unfit for `Kermit' sessions until further notice but it doesn't mean the
issue can't be solved just because i have my own limits as a human. ;^>
SH> If HyperTerminal is their terminal of choice, it would be silly...
Boths sides must be suitable, `MS-Kermit' for a `WilCat!' or `BBBS'
session is DECEIVING and the reverse is also true because i never got it
right when `HyperTerminal' connected to suitable remote systems, so far.
SH> ...I have a bit of resistance to providing a 7-bit slow kermit...
It differenciates us: i don't. My system may be the bottleneck so
i won't say `Kermit' can reach beyond 25K7 cps but even if using Control
Character Escaping costs a lot in terms of overhead, it seems probable a
`Kermit' transfer will be better than an hesitating `ZMoDem' transfer or
none at all. I regret no sturdy `Kermit' has been put to test just yet!
SH> ...there is no reason to use a 7-bit paranoid Kermit.
There's even less to care about anthropomorphism over a protocol...
SH> ...I personally feel the best bet would be to have the choices
SH> something like this: ...Compatible... ... ...Modern... So the
SH> new user has a resonable chance of picking the appropriate protocol.
Liberty of choice is a topic which does get my attention, under the
circumstances... I've done more than my share in order to dissociate my
name from Swindell's `Kermit' setup by making `MSK.INI' self-documentary
and by addressing the problem of SysOps failing to get his configuration
to work. The guys who would disagree to offer the whole set of `Kermit'
features as found in the `MSK' setup are left the CHOICE to only support
the BASIC configuration, i'm not liable for Rob's decision to render his
`Kermit' support restrictive and the responsability isn't mine since the
additional `Kermit' features are OPTIONAL BUT YET PROVIDED in `MSK.INI'.
Anyway, i expect no change with `SBBS' anytime soon and i believe a
sequence such as the one you suggested wouldn't reflect reality neither.
MS> `MSK.INI' was more "Ready-Made" in 2003 than Rob's setup is now!...
SH> I didn't bother reading the .INI file at all...
I noticed. I confess my creterias of quality differ: Rob pretends
he can find the FINAL answer while having lapses of inspiration on a hot
summer day, not me... Don't bother, i'll know it if more people fail at
the task after another fifteen months but feel free to refer them to me!
SH> ...I'm wondering about users... Could it be reduced...
Stop wondering, Winston and i are the only `Kermit' users you heard
of, right?... Don't expect me to add an ~APC~ remote configuration or a
"8.3" to ~LFN~ FileName reconversion mechanism in a breeze, i'm sorry if
assymetry fails to meet esthetical standards but those comments below my
"Suggested Presentation" also display when `UlProt.ASC'/`DlProt.ASC' are
used and i cared to COLOUR-diffentiate too! See `Kermit' documentation.
It's mission accomplished for me so i'll be leaving Borg space soon
since there's no opportunity to discuss issues related to `Protocol.LOG'
or else and you've required too much of my patience, if you ask me! The
http://public.sogetel.net/bicephale/MSK.INI setup will remain available,
refer to it any `SBBS' SysOp (or BBSer) who requires help - if you mind.
Salutations,
Michel Samson
a/s Bicephale
... Rob's SBBS/Kermit: spend spare-time just to prove he got it trashed
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