Subj : Re: Weakling
To : Lee Lofaso
From : Dennis Katsonis
Date : Fri Sep 04 2020 12:02 pm
-=> Lee Lofaso wrote to Dennis Katsonis <=-
LL> Hello Dennis,
>>LL> Donald J. Trump. The man with no balls.
>>
>>LL>"He may believe mouthing the words law and order makes him strong,
>>LL>but his failure to call on his own supporters to stop acting as an
>>LL>armed militia in this country shows you how weak he is."
>>LL>~ Joe Biden, 8/31/2020
>>
>>Do you want Trump to use a stronger police force then?
>
>LL> I want Trump to do his fucking job!
>
>LL> "The job of a president is to tell it straight from the shoulder, tell
>LL> the truth, to be candid, to face facts, to lead, not to insight. That's
>LL> why I'm speaking to you today. The incumbant president is incapable of
>LL> telling us the truth, incapable of facing the facts and incapable of
>LL> healing. He doesn't want to shed light, he wants to generate heat and
>LL> he's stroking violence in our cities.
>
>LL> "This is a tragic fact of the matter, how he's dealing with this
>LL> perilous hour in our nation. And now we have to stand against violence
>LL> in every form it takes. Violence we've seen again and again and again,
>LL> of unwarranted police shooting, excessive force, seven bullets in the
>LL> back of Jacob Blake. Knee on the neck of George Floyd, killing of
>LL> Breonna Taylor in her own apartment, violence of extremists and
>LL> opportunists, right wing militias... And to derail any hope and support
>LL> for progress, the senseless violence of looting and burning and
>LL> destruction of property. I want to make it absolutely clear, so I'm
>LL> going to be very clear about all of this, rioting is not protesting.
>LL> Looting is not protesting. Setting fires is not protesting. None of
>LL> this is protesting. It's lawlessness, plain and simple. And those who
>LL> do it should be prosecuted. Violence will not bring change, it will
>LL> only bring destruction. It's wrong in every way. It divides instead
>LL> of unites, destroys businesses, only hurts the working families that
>LL> serve the community. It makes things worse across the board, not
>LL> better."
>LL> ~ Joe Biden, 8/31/2020
>
>>If Trump was to come down harder on the rioters, then the Democrats would
>>say he's a fascist for doing so. Is he supposed to just people people
>>riot, loot, murder and bully innocent people?
>
>LL>Joe Biden has condemned *all* acts of violence. It is time for
>LL>Donald Trump to do the same.
>
This is why Trump may (I think likely), will win. EVERYONE normally condemns
violence. I remember seeing a billboard from a local council saying "(council)
stands against domestic violence", or something like that. Well gee! Thanks
for clearing that up local council! You know, up until know, I wasn't sure
whether they were for or against domestic violence, but now that they cleared
it up for me, I'm no longer guessing! It's like when people say they are
against rape, or racism, or whatever. Who is FOR it????
It's a easy cop out, and not what I want to see from a politician.
By the way, I'm not being facetious. Statements likes "violence of extremists"
and "rioting is not protesting. Looting is not protesting. Setting fires is
not protesting" are all well and good, but DUH!. Who is FOR violence? Some of
the far left faction are legitimising riots and theft.
What is my problem here you may be wondering? Bidin SPECIFICALLY mentioned
"right wing militias" and the killing of Jacob Blake and George Floyd, but kept
everything else unnamed and vague. I'm not going to get into "whatabouttisms"
here, but there are specific examples you can refer to on BOTH sides, but he
didn't do that. He pointed out specific problems supposedly caused by the
right and "racists", and nothing else.
As is his right to do so. But everyone is "against violence". So is Trump. So
what? It means nothing. Why bother even saying it? Is your country so far
gone that we can no longer ASSUME that you are against lawless rioting?
What means something is being specific. Telling us exactly WHAT you believe
the problem is. How you are going to solve it. And here is where he is
lacking.
His message is empty. Now Trump isn't much better, I'll give you that, but
there is no chance that Biden is going to resolve this violence and creeping
fascistic religion by empty motherhood statements. Obama spoke like that, and
the situation worsened under his watch. Biden is an empty shell, probably just
there so the people who hold real power can work while America thinks that
Biden has any sway. Poor guy probably has no idea what is occuring under him.
Now, if Biden was to be able to talk about specifically what is leading to
violence, what is justifying it, why people are resorting to violence, if he
actually named any of the violent groups, put them on notice, then I would pay
attention.
>>His "supporters" are defending themselves.
>
>LL>Two rights do not make a wrong. As Joe Biden noted so clearly
>LL>in his message. Do pay attention.
LL> Two wrongs do not make a right. Caught you sleeping. :)
>>I've seen too many videos of "protestors" attacking and accosting people.
>>Going up to people who are just out for a meal or a drink, and DEMANDING
>>they show fealty to your beliefs is not acceptable.
>
>LL>Worked for Bull Connor. And his dogs. What we have today is a
>LL>new George Wallace. Only this one is in the White HOuse, rather
>LL>than the Alabama governor's mansion.
>What we are seeing in the USA is the emergence of a new, totalitarian belief
> system, disguisnig itself as being for justice.
LL> This is nothing new. George Wallace did the same in Alabama.
LL> Lester Maddox did the same in Georgia. Other governors did the
LL> same in other states.
LL> There were times when fascism did occur on a national level in
LL> this country. But nothing on the level as it is today.
>IT is a time old pattern, where the new moral order proclaims itself as
> being for justice, fairness, while it bullies people into submission.
> Cancel culture is the most evident manifestation of this insidious
> ideology.
LL> There is nothing moral about fascism. It can be disguised in many
LL> ways, even with a smile. But there is nothing moral about it.
>Rioting is not protesting, I agree, but Biden's missing the point here.
LL> Rioting is an act of violencce. Biden condemned all acts of violence.
LL> That includes rioting. Do pay attention.
>They are NOT trying to protest.
LL> And Biden condemned all who committed acts of violence. Including
LL> those who pretend to protest by commmitting acts of violence. You
LL> really do need to pay attention.
>They are trying to exercise power over others.
LL> By committing acts of violence, which Biden condemned.
LL> It really isn't that hard to understand. Do pay attention
LL> to what the man said.
I read it multiple times.
>The Democrats will never admit this,
LL> Biden did. Quite loudly. For all to hear. But you weren't listening.
LL> Or bothering to pay attention.
>because too many in the party (perhaps not Biden, I'll give him the benefit
> of the doubt),
LL> What doubt? I quoted his own words, verboten. Nobody in his party
LL> disagreed with anything he said. And many Republicans and Independents
LL> also agreed with his comments. Especially his comments condemning all
LL> acts of violence.
And I read them. Biden is against violence, as is EVERYONE. Hell, even "far
right" parties in Europe say this. When I read, I don't just look to see if
particular words are present, I analyse context and meaning, and the IDEAS.
>don't have an issue with this new emerging cultural fascism.
LL> The vast majority of people in this country have a real issue
LL> with Trump's fascist ideology, and want him and his cronies to go
LL> away. Problem is, after he loses the election (assuming there is
LL> an election) his army of Trumpers might decide to burn the entire
LL> country, proclaiming "Trump is always right!"
Both sides are preparing to do that, with Trump supporters probably being LESS
of a worry. Wake up and smell the coffee man.
By the way, I think it more likely that Trump will win.
Lastly, if you seriously believe that people wearing MAGA hats are fascist, you
are lost. You are the reason that Trump will win. Large companies are seeking
to influence the election, Big Tech is trying to shape our thoughts, censor
speech, people are being fired just because they aren't Politically Correct,
Academics are being mobbed by SJW's because their research or ideas doesn't
conform, large companies will make your employment conditional on your
'values'. And you don't see this as a problem? Honestly man, I've seen this
first hand, MULTIPLE TIMES. People claiming to be BLM protesters are en masse
harrassing people and pushing them to follow their ideology, and you no
problem? You see no problem that conservatives are worried about expressing
publicly who they will vote for because of retribution?
You really are the living epitome of someone pointing out the mote in someone
elses eye, while neglecting the plank in yours.
Fascist is as fascist does. Antifa are fascist. The far left are facist.
I don't care if you hate the opinions of the right. I don't care if you have
different political opinions to me, which you clearly do. I can respect
someone highly even if they have contrary political opinions and think mine are
distasteful. But your problem isn't your Left wing opinions, it your blindless
to the realities of what is going on.
Quite simply, have a look at who is cancelling whom. Who is mobbing whom. Who
is getting fired for what. What agenda large corporations are pushing. What
political affiliated get you "cancelled". Forget the ideology about people for
a moment, and just look at the ACTIONS.
If you look at the ACTIONS of people, you'll realise why when I say "fascist is
as fascist does", that I think the regressive left is the biggest threat.
>This isn't about George Floyd. This is about an ideology that has been
> percolating for years, and is now seizing this opportunity to suppress and
> bully.
LL> Trump is not the cause, but the symptom. Biden is the anti-Trump,
LL> but not the solution to all this country's problems.
LL> It will take more, much more, to cure America of its sickness.
This I agree with. The elephant in the room is the fact that so many Americans
are now intellectually and emotionally children, with stupid ideologies,
behaving in awful ways. Those "protesting" are the epitome of this.
America needs adults. It needs people who will say "NO" to cancel culture, to
infantile politics, who will bring big business and big tech back in check and
limit their influence. It needs ADULTS who will restore reason, due process,
the right of free speech, the right to express an opinion and not be attacked,
academic freedom. It needs stronger workers rights so you CAN'T get sacked
just because someone complained about a tweet you made. It needs a cultural
rebirth.
Trump won't bring that about. Your country is toast.
I can recommend this article
https://www.declineoftheempire.com/2020/06/a-clear-and-present-danger.html
... Dennis Katsonis
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