Subj : Democrat Protesters
To   : Dan Cross
From : Lee Lofaso
Date : Sun Jun 07 2020 06:20 pm

Hello Dan,

>LL>Notice I did not mention anything about "oath of office" in my
>LL>original post. In my next post, to you, I quoted the oath of office
>LL>for the president, who never served in the military or swore any
>LL>oath of enlistment/oath for commissioned officers.
>
>Stop doubling down when you're wrong: it's not a good look.

"Oath of Office" is not the same thing as "Oath of Enlistment".
One is to be sworn to execute the duties of an office, the other
is to be sworn to perform the duties of an employee.

>  LL> Just so we are both on the same page, here it is with url -
>  LL>  LL> https://history.army.mil/html/faq/oaths.html
>
>I already posted a URL.  Do you just insist on being right?
>Okay. You're right.

Of course I'm right. The Congress codified the oath.

>LL> >The UCMJ is quite clear on this: not only do all members
>LL> >of the military have a right to ignore illegal orders, but
>LL> >they have an obligation to actively resist those orders.
>LL> LL> And yet, the joint chiefs of staff went along with their
>LL> president as he ordered active military to open fire on peaceful
>LL> protesters (mostly women and children) on church grounds. The
>LL> soldiers did as they were told, using rubber bullets, pepper
>LL> spray, and tear gas to mow everybody down.
>
>No, that was the National Guard and park police, plus
>some kind of secret police formed from the Bureau of
>Prisons.  Those were not active duty troops.

General Mark Milley (you do know who he is?) was wearing his
battle fatigues, ready for action, as he walked with Trump to
the church grounds.

>LL>When the president (as C-in-C) gives a soldier a direct order,
>LL>that soldier is expected to comply. The president is not going
>LL>to ask a soldier to go find his/her CO, as the president is at
>LL>that very moment his/her CO.
>
>No.  The "soldier" (note, I'm a Marine, not a soldier) is
>only expected to comply if, and only if, the order is legal.
>Yes, all members of the US military are given training on
>legal and illegal orders.  Yes, it is explained from entry
>training onwards that illegal orders are to be actively
>resisted.

You're right. General Milley is an Army guy. A true soldier.
As well as a hypocrite, given his own actions. Wrote a memo to
his troops and then ignored everything he wrote by joining his
pal Donald Trump in his mad venture to destroy the USA from
within.

>LL>Disobeying a direct order, especially during a time of war, can get
>LL>a soldier shot. Or stripped of rank and privilege. How many would be
>LL>willing to take that chance?
>
>Pretty much all.  As I've said now, repeatedly, but for
>some unfathomable reason you seem incapable of absorbing,
>servicemembers are under no obligation to follow illegal
>orders, and ignoring such an order is not considered
>"disobeying a direct order."

Yeah. General Milley listens to his Commander-in-Chief and makes
sure to do everything he is told.

>LL>I am sure you do know a number of officers you *think* would take
>LL>exception to what has recently taken place with Trump ordering active
>LL>military to open fire on peaceful protesters, with the full blessing
>LL>of his joint chiefs of staff. But how many of those you know actually
>LL>would, when put to the test?
>
>Given that I've seen them do it in combat, I'm willing to
>bet pretty much all of them wouldn't have a problem telling
>a 5x draft dodger who considered avoiding STDs in Studio 54
>his "personal Vietnam" where to shove it.

Didn't bother General Milley or the other Joint Chiefs.

>Gen Milley shouted the president down in the Oval Office
>the other day.

And also approved his message by walking down the street, in
battle fatigues, with President Trump to make war on peaceful
protesters (mostly women and children) on church grounds.

>LL>Talk is cheap. Especially when your own head is not on the line.
>LL>Active duty military, when ordered by their president to do his

>LL>honorable man, who did stand up to power when his time of testing
>LL>came. Told the governor to take a flying hike, rather than have
>LL>his soldiers fire using live ammunation on kids stealing shoes
>LL>in department stores.
>
>You speak with a confidence that is unwarranted given your
>ignorance of the matter and overall lack of experience with
>the subject.

The president says he has the right to do what he does due to
the Insurrection Act of 1807. General Milley has never called him
on that, even though he knows the president is full of sh*t.

>You should stop.

Silence is murder. Unlike Trump and his minions, I am not a
murderer. The alternative is to raise holy hell. And be condemned
for being a saint.

Which would you rather be? A saint or a sinner? Most of us are
sinners, begging for forgiveness. But some don't care and like to
continue sinning, and sinning, and sinning ...

>LL>>And now, respectfully, you should stay in your lane
>LL>>and shut the fuck up about the military.
>LL> LL>Silence is complicity. Which is what made Hitler great.
>
>I'm pretty sure I've been pretty vocal about what I think
>about Trump.  How dare you evoke Hitler when discussing the
>US military.

Silence is murder, not just complicity. We have a president who
gladly accepts the help of white supremacists, such as neo-Nazis
and other racist groups. Nobody should keep silent about this.
Those who praise Adolf Hitler should be condemned for what they
say and promote. And yet, look at how many continue to praise
and support what we have occupying the White House today.

It is not just Trump, but Trumpism, that is on display. How to
rid this sickness from our land is a question that has befuddled
many for years. Maybe it cannot be cured. But perhaps it can be
controlled, if only an antidote can be found in time.

>You're the douche who posted that you had COVID-19 and then
>tried to scurry behind a lame excuse of quoting someone.

What I posted was a joke. Too bad you didn't get it.

>LL>I will not be silent, and neither should anybody else.
>
>You have every right to say whatever you want.

And you have every right to keep silent, giving tacit approval
to everything Trump says and does. However, giving tacit approval
to a madman does not make it right.

>I have the right to judge you as a sanctimonious ass who's ignorance and
> arrogance and propensity for writing walls of unintelligible text do more
> harm to the causes you claim to care about than they do good.

You might even be right on that. I wouldn't know. I just do
what I do and hope I live to see another day. Same as most folks.
Of course, others don't care and choose to step in front of trains
or jump off of bridges or tall buildings ...

>LL>We do not need another Hitler. Especially one with orange
>LL>hair. Even if he doesn't have a funny moustache. Hell,
>LL>his shade of orange skin is bad enough ...
>
>Indeed.  Perhaps you can get with the program and actually try
>and help get rid of the scourge currently occupying the White
>House?  Posting uninformed claptrap about the military isn't
>helping.

There are pictures on social media of General Milley wearing
battle fatigues standing side by side with his beloved President
in front of St. John's church as the crowd of women and children
was being hit by rubber bullets, pepper spray and tear gas ...

--Lee

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