Subj : Re: Travel Ban?
To   : Daniel
From : Dan Cross
Date : Sun Jun 07 2020 02:23 pm

On 06 Jun 2020 at 12:23p, Daniel pondered and said...

Da> Believe whatever you want. I won't attempt to talk reason with you. I
Da> really hope you don't learn the hard way.

I think you have no idea what reason is.

Da> I spent yesterday helping with the cleanup while the national guard was
Da> down the street. I have a number of friends who own businesses that were
Da> ravaged. I'll be spending the weekend doing the same thing.

Source or it's just another right-wing lie.

Da> I'm sure it was all in my mind though. You can keep watching your
Da> cesspress coverage now. Don't mind me.

I see you have no sources.  Just another right-wing liar.

Da> Are you asking if I've been to every city? No. Have you?

Undoubtedly more than you.

Da> I'm all for protesting. It's part of what makes this country great. It's
Da> quite unfortunate that you believe everything your press tells you.
Da> Blinded.

Nah, you're not.  You hate the Constitution and Bill of
Rights, just like all right-wingers.

Da>  DC> Trying to paint _all_ protesters with the "riot" brush is
Da>  DC> at best misleading and more likely deliberate.
Da>
Da> I'm not, youre putting words in my mouth. I'm talking about the rioters.
Da> The damage being done isn't at the hand of a few. It is widespread and
Da> thorough.

Yeah, that's where you break down.  It really is in a few.

Cite a credible source, or you're just another right-wing liar.

Da> Repeating a false claim doesn't make it any more true.

Have you heard Fox News?

Da> I'm glad you've been to protests and delighted that you are safe. What
Da> exactly are you protesting?

Me, personally?  This was against a KKK rally in NYC.  The
klan came out, with like 20 people, and several thousand
showed up to the counter-protest.

Now days, I think it's important to acknowledge that Black
Lives really do matter.  Historically, this hasn't been the
case; we have systemic policies that keep that community
from achieving equality.  But right now I'm most concerned
about the police violence.  The police are out of control,
drunk on their own power, and see themselves as separate
from the rest of the populace.  They even refer to other
people as "civilians", even though they themselves are
civilians.  It's disgusting.  Limited immunity and police
unions have got to go.
Da>  DC> I hope you people on the right wake up and start respecting
Da>  DC> the rights of the citizenry.
Da>
Da> You're being ignorant. We're angry about the rioting, looting, killing
Da> and how it is being largely ignored and minimized. You're talking as if
Da> nothing seriously wrong is occuring. You think that what's happening in
Da> the present day is largely peaceful. Your experience is peaceful
Da> thankfully, but the damage speaks a different story.

Nah.  You're lying.  You are the one who is ignorant, my
friend, fed on a steady diet of Fox and right-wing talking
heads.  Wake up.

Da> The left has been protesting ever since the unelectable Hillary lost in
Da> 2016. If we were mad about anything it was the lies, ignorance, and
Da> hypocracy of leftist demands.

Sounds like the right-wing during the Obama administration.
But you never saw him gassing his own people for a photo op
or praising dictators like King Jong Un.

Lies and hypocrisy, indeed.  The right-wing simply lies so
they can indulge in their disgusting believe system of bigotry
and hate.  What a bunch of sad, pathetic individuals.

Da> What I'd like to see, primarily, is classical liberals disowning the far
Da> left movement because they have wrecked your party.

When you say, "your party" what party do you think I belong
to?  Speaking of ignorance and all of that.

Da> Many of the perps arrested for rioting were released.

Citation or it's just another of your right-wing lies.

Da> By every accout, NYC has lost complete control of the streets over, by
Da> your repeated exaggeration, a few people.

Liar.

Da> I have been quite critical of Trump for his emotional tweets this last
Da> week. But, the problem with the stanc eof the left is they have a view
Da> that the president is the only person responsible for what happens in
Da> the coutry. They ignore the fact that there's many layers of government
Da> elected below him responsible for their areas. The coutnry is intensely
Da> complex and, yet, when problems occur they never seem to blame their
Da> officials for the failings unless, of course, the president is a
Da> democrat.

Lies.  The utter failure to hold Trump accountable in any way
is transparent to all, regardless of political leaning.  You
can try to distort that truth, but that's why you'll lose in
November, if Trump doesn't concoct some kind of fake emergency
to simply seize power.  But here's the litmus test: if he does
so, will you go along with him?

Da> Things have changed, at least in Sacramento. The groups attempted to
Da> create mayhem in some of our suburban areas but were obviously unaware
Da> that they are strong second amendment areas. It was short lived. Curfews
Da> were imposed only after the rioting caused serious problems. Newsom also
Da> lives nearby. While we dislike his politics, the organizations behind
Da> this mess are allied with him. He, nor his Aunt, wont let them shit
Da> where he eats.

Oh, citation on your "strong second amendment" sections BS.
You really are a little liar, aren't you?

Da> Listen, I don't care what you believe, have at it. What happened to
Da> Floyd was a travesty for many reasons:

Bwhaha.  Your wall of text in response to me says otherwise.

Da> 8. The second amendment exists particularly for this sort of situation.

No, it doesn't.  That's the masturbatious fantasy of the NRA
and other non-hackers who talk a good game about guns and
fetishize them, but have never heard a shot fired in anger.

Da> There are many stories but that's two.

You sound like you may have a screw loose and are at
a minimum susceptible to conspiracy theories and right-wing
propaganda.

Da> If you've been protesting, as you claim, I hope you are doing so for
Da> institutional reform of law enforcement and reinforced citizen
Da> protection from police brutality. If this is true, I'm completely behind
Da> you.

Well, we can agree on that.

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