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Post #AyHwhVlD0azrFbzh8S by [email protected] |
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npm was a mistake. the concept of pulling live dependencies that are not collec… |
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@0xabad1dea well, isn’t that mostly on the consumer? Would you feel the same… |
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@VioletBackpack “would you feel the same way if the circumstances were utterl… |
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@0xabad1dea I wonder why maven is not constantly detonating into our faces like… |
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@0xabad1dea compounded by the way npm (client) does version management—not us… |
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Post #AyHz045KKUTSpLNYW0 by [email protected] |
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@0xabad1dea and the prodigious use of npx makes things even worse! It might use… |
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Post #AyHz1ATS3oAyvrBmYi by [email protected] |
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@0xabad1dea I struggle with this take because I very much succeeded at contribu… |
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Post #AyHzpMlocLxfXziOEi by [email protected] |
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@0xabad1dea It's true that taking random dependencies without thought for h… |
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@dougwade @0xabad1dea PyPi, Pub, etc have similar issues, but it is also at the… |
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Post #AyI0dl0ila6vCsiPBo by [email protected] |
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@zeyus @0xabad1dea I think you very much understand my conflict. My needs as a … |
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@dougwade @zeyus I think there is a most right answer but it involves a lot of … |
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@0xabad1dea This. Thank you for calling it out. Can we also kill pip please? … |
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@dougwade @0xabad1deaNo offence but your words sound naive to me. Trusting tha… |
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Post #AyI2iJ5aCndNxwHpHU by [email protected] |
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@TrimTab @0xabad1dea if your only goal is to produce secure systems, I can unde… |
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Post #AyI2kmqKYGwCpEKot6 by [email protected] |
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@DJGummikuh @0xabad1dea It could be attributed to a different attack surface an… |
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@malwareminigun apt packages are usually months or years behind what you can ge… |
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Post #AyI2mPdjn7sRRQDgmW by [email protected] |
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@E_net4 @0xabad1dea interesting point |
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@0xabad1dea I would have just stopped after the first sentence. 🙃But also so… |
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@0xabad1dea npm is a bloody _nightmare_ if you're serious about security (P… |
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Post #AyI46tgNu2dyMYn0uO by [email protected] |
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@0xabad1dea Welcome to the Crapness, THE CRAPNESS, of ModernSoftware[TM] ! |
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Post #AyI7NHoOG6qjh52aUC by [email protected] |
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@0xabad1dea CPAN, Ruby Gems, and Pypi really blazed this trail |
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Post #AyI7PgJ0A9H6EsV7kO by [email protected] |
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@0xabad1dea I still have a cpan.org email 😬 |
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Post #AyI7PiNKT1vOesXblo by [email protected] |
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@mcgrew @0xabad1dea using predefined modules isn’t a bad thing in general. Of… |
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@0xabad1dea @malwareminigun in addition there is also a distribution adjacent m… |
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Post #AyIAZ34HCXpRIvlu08 by [email protected] |
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@0xabad1dea nobody enforces to use all packages. It's like PIP |
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Post #AyIBIpFOuz17lGnrM0 by [email protected] |
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I’m not saying “fuck hobbyists and beginners” I’m saying maybe the code… |
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Post #AyICJX0yIBelSPxEeW by [email protected] |
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@0xabad1dea Sure, but the amount of code written by hobbyists that is also part… |
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@tribut "there's too much hobbyist code in critical infrastructure to … |
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@[email protected] how is that npm specific?? |
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@m .... who said it was???? "x was a mistake" does not imply it's… |
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@0xabad1dea *Especially* when coupled with dependencies not being hard-bound to… |
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sorry to everyone engaging on a reasonable basis but I have to mute this thread… |
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@0xabad1dea pancake waffle? As in argue whether a waffle is a pancake or not? |
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@arichtman @0xabad1dea it's the ol' "oh you like pancakes? so you … |
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@arch @arichtman in this case I'm getting a pretty funny variant:"I do… |
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@0xabad1dea oh dang I sniped myself here. *is* a waffle a pancake variant? |
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Post #AyIDuTaA7IWNTrax7I by [email protected] |
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@arch @0xabad1dea oh okay, thank you! |
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@0xabad1dea yeah every company I know that has thought about this for more than… |
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@0xabad1dea I can count how many I've seen do a *really* thorough job of de… |
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@0xabad1dea @tribut the twist ending here is that the non-hobbyist code is wors… |
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Post #AyIDw14x3wb5erjNnU by [email protected] |
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@glyph @0xabad1dea @tribut I'm still waiting for the "good housekeepin… |
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Post #AyIDwF6WusB79oZqCW by [email protected] |
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@gsuberland @0xabad1dea every company I've worked for didn't even bothe… |
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@wasabi @0xabad1dea I've been doing appsec consulting stuff for 12 years no… |
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@0xabad1dea Open Source as a concept should be so well funded by the government… |
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Post #AyIE0AW7ug2W5ZQDKq by [email protected] |
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@0xabad1dea In most conversations I'm the one with the doom 'n gloom, b… |
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@DJGummikuh @0xabad1dea Maven Central has some verification steps for "own… |
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@mrotteveel @DJGummikuh @0xabad1dea Signing etc. might not be harder once you g… |
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@0xabad1dea As a product manager who frequently sees the cleanup costs for stuf… |
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@0xabad1dea @malwareminigun aren't security patch applied to apt package in… |
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@0xabad1dea @dougwade @zeyusi diagnose the root problem as corporate open sourc… |
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@[email protected] oh come on, you chose to single out npmnpm is the … |
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@davidgerard @0xabad1dea @dougwade @zeyus in conclusion, AGPL everything. or, a… |
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@glyph @0xabad1dea @tribut The EU is trying that, right? Does Geomys have stric… |
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@0xabad1dea @arch @arichtman I mute at the first offense these days. Very satis… |
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@dequbed @0xabad1dea Open Source is actually about five or six different concep… |
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Post #AyIGWxiIjmpHqMshQO by [email protected] |
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@0xabad1dea only if you expect the codebase to be of high quality. I can't … |
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@0xabad1dea @arch @arichtman https://youtu.be/X1beEuBV7M0 |
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Post #AyIHdbMUL6DcVBPNJ2 by [email protected] |
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@filippo @0xabad1dea @tribut this is my point. Nobody pays for go. So nobody wo… |
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@0xabad1dea @dougwade @zeyus the entire discussion reminds me of the business c… |
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@0xabad1dea sorry, I was trying to be reasonable, Im not a fan of npm and wasn�… |
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@filippo @0xabad1dea @tribut I think questions about whether e.g. a patreon inc… |
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@david_chisnall Your observations are matching my experience of enterprise work… |
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@mainec @0xabad1dea @dougwade @zeyus do we see this happening yet? if not, why … |
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Post #AyIK0TrsZBxDpU81Sq by [email protected] |
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@muhanga The other variation I've seen of this is:Use [A]GPL'd project,… |
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@filippo @0xabad1dea @tribut give me right-wing oil-billionaire think-tank leve… |
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Post #AyIK1IsKvFci1fjbl2 by [email protected] |
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@glyph @0xabad1dea @tribut So would strict liability be mandatory, or something… |
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@filippo @glyph @0xabad1dea @tribut at the moment there's no liability at a… |
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@filippo @glyph @0xabad1dea @tribut our understanding is that courts wouldn'… |
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@filippo @glyph @0xabad1dea @tribut when software failures cause large-scale ha… |
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@filippo @glyph @0xabad1dea @tribut Under the CRA the person “placing the pro… |
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@ireneista @filippo @0xabad1dea @tribut from what I can tell the main thing tha… |
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@glyph @filippo @0xabad1dea @tribut yes, agreed |
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@ireneista @filippo @glyph @0xabad1dea @tribut well, the cyber resiliency act i… |
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@filippo @glyph @0xabad1dea @tribut anyway, we don't claim to know what the… |
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@ireneista @filippo @0xabad1dea @tribut You are correct that there need to be r… |
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@ireneista @filippo @0xabad1dea @tribut The principle that I'm advocating f… |
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@glyph @filippo @0xabad1dea @tribut then, we agree on that part :) (and we don&… |
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@ireneista @filippo @0xabad1dea @tribut more generally, I think contracts of ad… |
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@david_chisnall @davidgerard @0xabad1dea @dougwade @zeyus there's no better… |
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@dougwade @0xabad1dea I would blame more on people working in critical sectors … |
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@gcb @davidgerard @zeyus @0xabad1dea @dougwade just throwing hands up and using… |
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@david_chisnall @davidgerard @0xabad1dea @dougwade @zeyus in all my years, do y… |
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@ireneista @glyph @filippo @0xabad1dea @tribut I literally just got $1 in *coup… |
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@gcb @zeyus @0xabad1dea @david_chisnall @dougwade you're arguing with a Fre… |
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@david_chisnall @davidgerard @zeyus @0xabad1dea @dougwade good for you, but not… |
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@davidgerard @gcb @zeyus @0xabad1dea @dougwade I'm also the maintainer of a… |
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@rootwyrm @davidgerard @0xabad1dea @dougwade @zeyus That's the companies th… |
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@gcb @davidgerard @0xabad1dea @david_chisnall @dougwade good for you, but not e… |
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Post #AyIYkBtN8DaSl0W7ma by [email protected] |
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@gcb @davidgerard @zeyus @0xabad1dea @dougwade I'm not sure what that's… |
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@rootwyrm@0xabad1dea @dougwade @zeyus @davidgerard @david_chisnallEvery company… |
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@bluGill @0xabad1dea @dougwade @zeyus @david_chisnall @rootwyrm Every company I… |
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@david_chisnall @davidgerard @zeyus @0xabad1dea @dougwade your points focus on … |
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@zeyus not sure what's your point, but that's great to hear. bsd/mit li… |
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@david_chisnall @gcb @zeyus @0xabad1dea @dougwade > complex legal structures… |
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@VioletBackpack you were not the person who got me annoyed enough to mute the t… |
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@gcb @zeyus @0xabad1dea @david_chisnall @dougwade "too haaard" is a f… |
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@gcb but I am not a corporation, and I'm happy for people to use what I mak… |
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@DJGummikuh @0xabad1dea Publishing to Maven Central is more complicated. (Most … |
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@davidgerard @gcb @zeyus @0xabad1dea @dougwade you keep hammering on this, is y… |
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@davidgerard@0xabad1dea @dougwade @zeyus @david_chisnall @rootwyrmMy company cu… |
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I mean, because it's had like 100 compromised packages in the last 100 days… |
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@glyph @filippo @0xabad1dea @tribut in our childhood, we witnessed several purc… |
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@glyph @filippo @0xabad1dea @tribut sorry - not Office, just Word. we're pr… |
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@glyph @filippo @0xabad1dea @tribut anyway we're all for the basic idea but… |
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I mean, I kinda hate to say it, but I think the way out of this would be someth… |
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@JessTheUnstill @glyph @filippo @0xabad1dea @tribut the way out for who, is our… |
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For corporations who want to offload risk onto someone else because they don… |
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@[email protected] @[email protected] I honestly don… |
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@rootwyrm @david_chisnall @davidgerard @0xabad1dea @dougwade @zeyus yeah, and t… |
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@abucci @davidgerard @gcb @zeyus @0xabad1dea @dougwade Users, hobbyists, people… |
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@zeyus people would have used what you contributed without drama on either lice… |
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@dougwade @0xabad1deaFair enough, good point. Then i will categorize npm with … |
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@dirksteins @0xabad1dea Naturally there's nothing wrong with having depende… |
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@0xabad1dea @briankrebs I’ve heard this before. Debian has about 20k packages… |
