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Post #AWfN1KsMykiORr6UeO by [email protected] |
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bad news: after extensive digging into how Wheel of Fortune (2010, Wii) loads r… |
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Post #AWfNRoOLrWLpWFghpQ by [email protected] |
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so it adds the / directory of the DVD to the searcxh path, then bundles (where … |
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Post #AWfNcUYrvo73CZhS88 by [email protected] |
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it queries the current language and tries to add /Audio/$ThatLanguage to the se… |
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Post #AWfNcXLVZwCxq0TKDo by [email protected] |
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Then it adds /Video (where the videos are) and then /MediaThere is no /Media on… |
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Post #AWfNrxFtWvkwXRCLCK by [email protected] |
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Finally it checks the language (again!) and adds /Speech/$ThatLanguage to the s… |
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Post #AWfNwrWOHBaCCdFo7E by [email protected] |
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it's not my job to offer code reviews of 13 year old games but this seems l… |
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Post #AWfOK1z5XdmhJTj0DI by [email protected] |
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The answer for scripts at least is that they implemented PackageAppInterface::g… |
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Post #AWfOODzmpGpXiw3EOm by [email protected] |
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Maybe they do the same thing with movies. The movies are probably getting playe… |
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Post #AWfOSJqh0OTj2HkYUK by [email protected] |
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not that it matters in this case: Wheel of Fortune is a US-only game so the onl… |
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Post #AWfOjFRqcWUqJICXXU by [email protected] |
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but this same engine is used in a bunch of games, many of which presumably had … |
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Post #AWfP4QcuFqVJ3oTPZA by [email protected] |
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You wanna know the weirdest thing this game does with regards to loading bundle… |
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Post #AWfP8jUe3BXgjVf5G4 by [email protected] |
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SURPRISE! It's a ROM Bundle! Wait this is a game shipped on an optical disc… |
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Post #AWfPFSOi0hZHjr5jOq by [email protected] |
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well, ROM bundle just means that instead of a filename to mount, you give it a … |
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Post #AWfPFVAdhT62L5X2O0 by [email protected] |
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there's no code in the game to load the memory location it loads the system… |
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Post #AWfPSinGMTcwM2twnI by [email protected] |
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they embedded it into the executable. That bundle's memory is loaded by the… |
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Post #AWfPSlhhXbxdNfK32e by [email protected] |
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and this quickly gets really confusing because one of the first things the game… |
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Post #AWfPdbS00EgulZ8zrc by [email protected] |
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except that one isn't used, because it's also in the "ROM bundle&q… |
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Post #AWfPk9ruwyf5FWOQd6 by [email protected] |
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which frankly is an underrated anti-reversing technique. Have multiple copies o… |
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Post #AWfPkDqe9e1PajpTCi by [email protected] |
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anyway I don't think they were intentionally trying to make this hard to re… |
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Post #AWfPung1nbJNbluFjE by [email protected] |
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since you can't just look at the bundle files on disc and interpret what da… |
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Post #AWfQ8M1LQ9TZt8L8Zk by [email protected] |
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anyway, this is only vaguely related, but there needs to be a tool that helps t… |
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Post #AWfQDJGB72kum2dooq by [email protected] |
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like, use the dynamic debugging traces to do things like annotate functions wit… |
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Post #AWfQOPGJ8ZemZfzdXU by [email protected] |
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or click a function and see what arguments it has been called with in traces |
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Post #AWfREMd2AohJSuOleK by [email protected] |
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sadly the wii balance board support classes in the engine are just leftovers fr… |
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Post #AWfRlGXDqoBI7dMvoW by [email protected] |
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@foone theoretically, Ghidra has an embedded debugger now, but I haven't he… |
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Post #AWfRlGbTazaGKpMKRc by [email protected] |
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@impiaaa and it's unlikely to work when my target binary is for the Wii. I … |
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Post #AWfRw6YXIAWSMJ9T9s by [email protected] |
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@foone no so what you do is enable Dolphin's debugger, then connect to it f… |
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Post #AWfRw6dUziUabhTQtU by [email protected] |
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@impiaaa if only that would work(I have never gotten dolphin's remote GDB s… |
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Post #AWfS29xfXmReeqnKtc by [email protected] |
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although given my reverse engineering work, it's possible that I may one da… |
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Post #AWfS6IlqjUhB8cF1ea by [email protected] |
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man I'm used to weird padding in structures and strange gaps, but 14 kiloby… |
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Post #AWfSAzLgN3fgLjEjlg by [email protected] |
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the struct WiiControllerPack has, at offset 1480, an array of 4 KPADStatus stru… |
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Post #AWfSHpLJyFJdLOKR4S by [email protected] |
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that's 14,448 bytes of nothin'. or maybe, given that it's left out … |
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Post #AWfSdMpGg1VJGrbhaq by [email protected] |
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wait. the revolution SDK defines KPADStatus about how I'd expect but then i… |
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Post #AWfSsILVcDudiio0lk by [email protected] |
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no these all seem to be smallerwhat the fuck |
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Post #AWfSyqwPu6foklCDfE by [email protected] |
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this is the worst thing about reverse engineering.you pretty much never can ass… |
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Post #AWfSyu18T1EMIGQWw4 by [email protected] |
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no, there is A Reason why the compiler did this, and you are going to have to f… |
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Post #AWfUkCO859nupnIZWK by [email protected] |
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@foone aww; the balance board opened up so many buttock-controlled gaming optio… |
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Post #AWfUkCSNpLCt2zHy9Q by [email protected] |
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@scruss that's why god invented buttplug.io! |
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Post #AWfWOWYQclXIuquNLE by [email protected] |
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me "well at least I have a bunch of types from the debug files, so I can f… |
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Post #AWfWTRNJJAruIh3IrA by [email protected] |
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@foone fully convinced now that you’re going to find a real world example of … |
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Post #AWfWTUv680g5ILspRA by [email protected] |
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@cinebox @foone I wonder if any devs of licensed games ever thought of trying t… |
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Post #AWfWTUzLsC53VXsE4G by [email protected] |
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@jrandomhacker that does sound like a great way to get Nintendo to permanently … |
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Post #AWfXMlUKEIWebiiKzg by [email protected] |
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@foone There’s always A Reason. The reason may be stupid, and it may not be w… |
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Post #AWfXMoBeCCMqyezxnU by [email protected] |
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@colinpeters @foone A funny example from ocarina of time: https://github.com/ze… |
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Post #AWfXMoGFv43PCx9dyq by [email protected] |
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@MrCheeze @colinpeters heh. it wouldn't surprise me if the issue is somethi… |
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Post #AWfbKj1YoqneCeXhOC by [email protected] |
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I'm pretty sure this game had two programmers who each compiled 50% of the … |
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Post #AWfbQ9GOgoJT1y4IAC by [email protected] |
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seriously. I have complete info telling me that void WorldObject::updateVisRes(… |
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Post #AWfcNboCCdVOeCEKae by [email protected] |
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@foone Is it possible that they're sloppily reusing code from another game?… |
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Post #AWfcNbsRwouMrODjDk by [email protected] |
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@daviwil well it's an engine that was used in something like 12-40 games, s… |
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Post #AWfcctAxujPSr3AO3c by [email protected] |
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I think the only thing this compiler has ever inlined is vector.push_back() |
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Post #AWfcwdSg36rBuQrobA by [email protected] |
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which is great because it really aids clarity of reverse engineering that every… |
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Post #AWfduSzY6XySoRlwH2 by [email protected] |
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just after I say this, guess what I find, plain as day, in the disassembly?MVec… |
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Post #AWfe3MDme7ksQ9faSW by [email protected] |
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it's inlined earlier in this same functionwhat the fuck |
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Post #AWfeOSE1WF8b7fqFQe by [email protected] |
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either they REALLY wanted to specify that this class initializes all the floats… |
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Post #AWfeTiptBj885W45i4 by [email protected] |
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I'm not really sure how you accidently code a floating point number to have… |
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Post #AWfelufbvZ980HvoIK by [email protected] |
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yeah after some dynamic testing, I think the reason this particular WStaticMesh… |
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Post #AWfeuMnXEUpvYbfXOa by [email protected] |
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it probably got left in because 1. codewarrior is terrible at dead code elimina… |
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Post #AWffPqoPgtNpcb5nlo by [email protected] |
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fs_QuequeRemoveTHIRTEEN YEAR OLD TYPO SPOTTED |
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Post #AWffX55b0VJzvcZqka by [email protected] |
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@marcan wow, that's some Advanced Evil |
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Post #AWffxUYExjuYQVZLAe by [email protected] |
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bPrevIngoreNunchuckCOME ON NOW |
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Post #AWfg6KVhfDUftKb3IW by [email protected] |
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there is not much gore in Wheel of Fortune.they meant Ignore |
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Post #AWfgX5hmohuLnE0cxU by [email protected] |
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@foone The deeper you go into this game's accursed pot of spaghetti bologne… |
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Post #AWfgX5m2YtJK0Q01aa by [email protected] |
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@pmzeitler bold of you to assume I didn't start out that way |
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Post #AWfhFyzOdKbVzkeUHg by [email protected] |
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ptTargWorlda pointer to the Target, in World coordinates? or the best fun park … |
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Post #AWfiHtHouJUaqDk944 by [email protected] |
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arg. how is WTrackCam perfectly documented in the debug data, but the surroundi… |
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Post #AWfie8wbNAUXm2QgaG by [email protected] |
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oh because it's only created by the fucking scripting language! |
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Post #AWfieBit2cIsON2H7g by [email protected] |
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MY KINGDOM FOR A DAMN SPIGOT SCRIPTING ENGINE DISASSEMBLER |
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Post #AWfirlGeCO14OcIc0O by [email protected] |
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(I'm going to have to write it. Well, finish writing it) |
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Post #AWfjvUBZkaFkWwGbLs by [email protected] |
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the nice thing about having a scripting language is sometimes I'll see that… |
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Post #AWfk5NDYVp4RoauL2m by [email protected] |
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this is like 90% of what I've been doing for the last three months.I'm … |
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Post #AWfmYTSIbCqPT2o8qO by [email protected] |
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BAD PROGRAMMER.in ResourceLoadPacket::finalize, they have two for() loops neste… |
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Post #AWfn95rdH3u30y7QUC by [email protected] |
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if (this->nVersion == 262) { if (this != (PropertyBook *)0x0) { // do some… |
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Post #AWfqkSMyrTDZOLHzvs by [email protected] |
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@foone could be worse, didn’t the old versions of MSVC let you access variabl… |
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Post #AWfqkSQscyKxaR770i by [email protected] |
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@8_bit_brett Yeah! MSVC 6.0 used to interpret:for(int i=0;i<10;i++){}like yo… |
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Post #AWfr4ouyjkGt7Ety8O by [email protected] |
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love to spend a while looking through the code to try and understand how a vari… |
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Post #AWfrBOWdGLDtHseHpY by [email protected] |
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PFuncSymbol takes a final boolean parameter. What does it do? We don't real… |
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@foone it's already way too late at that point. Modern compilers would prob… |
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@gracicot this isn't a modern compiler, however. it's codewarrior, and … |
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Post #AWfwRins8WVuaCJjbk by [email protected] |
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@foone I wonder if you can use the trace to substitute in constants and do DCE |
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Post #AWfwRis7shusnOJ8Eq by [email protected] |
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@bnut DCE? |
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Post #AWfy81hQN6vzIw2Ou0 by [email protected] |
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DW_OP_regx 0xffff?the variable is stored in numbered register 65535? something&… |
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Post #AWfyr8P2IN9b7rwi3s by [email protected] |
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pPVar2 = stack[-1]NO NEGATIVE INDICESTHIS IS C++ |
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basically the stack is defined as an array of pointers to PVariable*But they ch… |
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this is how some versions of new[] work in C++. but that's a compiler, not … |
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this is C++. they could have just defined their stack as a class with two membe… |
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BUT NO, THE PROGRAMMERS HAD TO BE CLEVER |
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Post #AWg1aeAZEaREaW0YfA by [email protected] |
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@foone This isn’t decompiled code? Damn |
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@vi no, it is, but I have matching debug data so I have some insight into what … |
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@foone you probably have a strong opinion on BSTR"A BSTR is a pointer. The… |
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@peturdainn yeah, I'm not a fan! |
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Post #AWguIQPT9GzqBCInSa by [email protected] |
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@foone how old is the game? Maybe only Stepanov knew how to use them. |
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Post #AWguIQUQqoxyQaclCC by [email protected] |
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@rogersm 2010. And they've already used STL (or an in-house clone) elsewher… |
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Post #AWh5KJyH9nlqHlgnwm by [email protected] |
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so there's 25 functions here which have the exact same bytes in their body.… |
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Post #AWh5KN3LhObxqN5Ols by [email protected] |
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they all are "pop the top value off the VM stack and static-cast it to a d… |
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I will never understand how and why CodeWarrior debugs the arguments to functio… |
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and it's not like parameter 4 goes unused. It's clearly used in the fun… |
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Post #AWh6v9YGxW7YdgeZCC by [email protected] |
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line 1038 of E:\Build\WheelJeopardy\Parser\/PVMachine.cpp somehow declares two … |
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Post #AWh70jR8y00PNlyl7Y by [email protected] |
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@foone What's Parameter 0? |
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Post #AWh70jVOiBPNaxy9ke by [email protected] |
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@Globaltom that's the hidden this pointer |
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Post #AWh7dKHIRN0WeCmBVI by [email protected] |
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you've heard of the Single Instruction Computer? Well make way for the Sing… |
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Post #AWh8DTTrhbclc8tMiu by [email protected] |
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artists depiction of a programmer trying to instrument tracing into the game… |
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Post #AWh8j0O7P5eceSEsgi by [email protected] |
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I ran the game for 10 seconds. 4 seconds of blank screen, 6 seconds of the &quo… |
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@foone If R27 is infinitely large, you can technically build a turing machine t… |
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Post #AWh8r0MVNt4ut5Ib2G by [email protected] |
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@moony given that my name is Foone Turing, all machines I build are Turing Mach… |
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Post #AWh9AqWdfM1qAhV3b6 by [email protected] |
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there are only two major problems in reverse engineering:1. not enough data2. t… |
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Post #AWh9LYq5lO7uVJhy6a by [email protected] |
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and that's with only one VM! This game supports multiple concurrent VMs exe… |
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guess I just have to write a log parser for dolphin to extract out execution tr… |
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yeah that seems reasonable |
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@foone and 16bit segmented addressing software *hisses* 😾… then again, tha… |
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@manawyrm GOD YESI was totally trying to think of a joke 3rd thing to put in, b… |
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I may have figured out why function parameters sometimes get elided:I think it … |
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Post #AWhB2grBvft5mELskC by [email protected] |
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@foone like — damn it, why did I have to be born in the 16bit era and have al… |
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Post #AWhB2gvneXZe0WVYvY by [email protected] |
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@manawyrm exactly. if I just focused on 32bit and up I would be SO much happier… |
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Post #AWhE7wk6as2GM8Ef0C by [email protected] |
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NOPE! found a function with a const char* and it's included.whatta hell |
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Post #AWhEXbdjfxHiR6UXSa by [email protected] |
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but it calls a different function with the same arguments, and the const char* … |
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Post #AWhEXey3IsJokz1J2m by [email protected] |
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I'm gonna have to reverse engineer codewarrior next and see if there's … |
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Post #AWhGFQIJJrZtwbvZSa by [email protected] |
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I can find event A: a new VM is createdevent B: a script is loaded into the VMe… |
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Post #AWhHBYKjaWwzfmmObA by [email protected] |
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OH IT'S GOT BASTARD CACHINGit loads the script, creates a VM for it, then d… |
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Post #AWhJnmx7slwpvU64q8 by [email protected] |
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no it's mostly got "foone forgot the difference between a pointer and … |
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Post #AWhJuvWWPktEXG3aNM by [email protected] |
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I've got to dump a stack in a "language" that's not turing co… |
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Post #AWhLRVUqIrphKAN2sy by [email protected] |
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@fooneWhen you say it's not "Turing complete"...Is this the tradi… |
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Post #AWhLRVZS1jWFYSWj4K by [email protected] |
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@thanevim BOTH |
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Post #AWhLXqbqibx2Xhfgrw by [email protected] |
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never underestimate the power of loop unrolling and pointless logging |
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Post #AWhLjbhjxcp3n52BlI by [email protected] |
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help I ran the game for 45 seconds and I now have 2.8 gigabytes of logs |
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Post #AWhMQS75UpFMUpJw12 by [email protected] |
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@millions I think that might actually end up being smaller, given that for most… |
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Post #AWigt5vTGAIgK3mXJo by [email protected] |
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@foone but but but memory!Though you could use C99 flexible arrays for that so … |
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Post #AWigt5zj0LheXFlvwu by [email protected] |
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@mirabilos not sure a version of codewarrior this old even supports c99 feature… |
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Post #AWihLaCuGhZcLXWOg4 by [email protected] |
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@mirabilos also judging by the rest of this program, they were not super worrie… |
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Post #AWihqQILAjzsa4ljbE by [email protected] |
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@foone issue closed: expected behaviour, just buy a bigger drive. |
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Post #AWihqQMauvOqnGl8EK by [email protected] |
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@tr7zw I recently did a project where I scanned every Wii game for misplaced fi… |
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Post #AWikJTsb7gCI0NiB16 by [email protected] |
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@tr7zw @foone download mor rams tbh |
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Post #AWikJTwqrrbGDZhZeC by [email protected] |
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@jeff @tr7zw counterpoint: I have 64gb in my desktop, specifically because I… |
